Really kills me when I see someone doing a cycle without test as base... I can't make sense of it... But each to their own. Also you just can't help some people especially when they already know the answers to their own questions.
wow i never said im not running test omg guys its you people playing dumb in this thread not me. when they inject cattles tren do they stack it also with test? f*** no. TREN WAS NEVER ment to be stacked with test. Infact show me a medical study where they stack something with test? you want proof? i can easily run my own study of deca only and deca+test to compare which cycle is most harmful to hpta and testicles, heart etc. deca only will come out as safer cycle (or a still safe cycle), your just stacking two highly suppressive and damaging compounds. test+deca certainly is harder to recover then deca only. Here, your body still produces minsucule amoutn of test even when running highly suppressive nandrolone. hereBasic cycling knowledge: Stack all compounds with testosterone. I'll say it again. Urine idiot. You've come here and are insisting on things that you are unable to provide any back up for. No evidence at all. Not even a properly formed sentence.
Sure i do but sometimes you have to move on,He may or may not be a troll, but I think the dude's 100% serious and belongs in a mental institution . . .
Recovery and no weight gain, guess right, the thing is i recieved no cycle advice from anybody on the thread instead people commenting to make fun of me. if the thread is dumb dont come and read it. i can't have my own thread? The thing is i dont respond well to test hence the titile. never implied against running test. only saying if i run test any more then 100mg/ week i will be bald.If you dont get checked out by a doctor at least Watch your b/p... And what exactly are ur goals? You say you want recovery? And not gain weight? You a power lifter in a given weight class?
Only meant in the worst case scenario, none of you ever had the feeling of your heart popping out of your chest during high exertion exercise or biking steep climbs on heavy gear? you will find it sexy. you guys turning this into a heart forum.I'm so confused and pissed off that I spent 4 mins reading through this.
OP- if you're ok with getting a heart attack or you "fancy it", then have at it. Take 400mg of dbol daily, inject the tren into the o-ring, take 10mg of caber, 300mg of daily proviron, get bald with 1g/week of test, slam a quarter ounce of coke up your nose and jump on the treadmill at speed 10 for 4 mins.....you'll "fancy it" before the treadmill warms up.
Idiot.
wow i never said im not running test omg guys its you people playing dumb in this thread not me. when they inject cattles tren do they stack it also with test? f*** no. TREN WAS NEVER ment to be stacked with test. Infact show me a medical study where they stack something with test? you want proof? i can easily run my own study of deca only and deca+test to compare which cycle is most harmful to hpta and testicles, heart etc. deca only will come out as safer cycle (or a still safe cycle), your just stacking two highly suppressive and damaging compounds. test+deca certainly is harder to recover then deca only. Here, your body still produces minsucule amoutn of test even when running highly suppressive nandrolone. here View attachment 5006
people keep telling me back up with sources, where is your source? some underground steroid manual that says stack anything with test?
Sure i do but sometimes you have to move on,
Recovery and no weight gain, guess right, the thing is i recieved no cycle advice from anybody on the thread instead people commenting to make fun of me. if the thread is dumb dont come and read it. i can't have my own thread? The thing is i dont respond well to test hence the titile. never implied against running test. only saying if i run test any more then 100mg/ week i will be bald.
The men in the testosterone group had higher concentrations of testosterone and estradiol. It’s pretty clear why that is. The chance of the testosterone users developing gyno is therefore somewhat higher. But on the other hand, we now know that nandrolone is not only an androgen, but also an oestrogen. Because it has no C19 methyl group, nandrolone also fits in the estradiol receptor.
What is clear is that, certainly at the lower dosage deca has fewer negative effects on the testes , Key is Lower dosage! run deca over 2-300mg ew like test and it is more suppressive than test on the hpta, . There is less volume decrease and sperm cell production stays nearer to the normal level. The difference between deca and testosterone is smaller at the 300 mg per week dose.
Based on this study, you can conclude that at non-homeopathic dosages you can expect more effect from testosterone than from deca. You could also conclude that deca is perhaps safer. But recent studies cast doubt on this assertion. In animal studies high doses of nandrolone proved slightly more dangerous for the blood vessels than high doses of testosterone.