Well I for sure do not have enough knowledge to debate it...However, My thread/thoughts were based on my limited studies of ketosis...Correct Me please as I'm only trying to learn...
So, if by reducing crabs the body will use fat for energy, stored and consumed, how would this not keep a person lean and at less risk for gaining/storing fat in the fat tissue?...Also, By being able to consume more protein and fat, which the two work in harmony, or this is what I thought the case to be, how could one not put his body in a muscle gain status?...
Also, wouldn't this be ideal for diabetics?...Just Asking...
By reducing carbs the body may increase fat oxidation (fat for energy) but, without an energy deficit to coincide with it, it will not lead to net fat loss - which is what matters here.
Keto is not suitable for bulking for the simple reason that replacing carbs with fats = less anabolic environment. Fat does nothing for muscle growth, while carbs do plenty. Again, unless your a beginner, an energy surplus is still necessary for growth.
The mistake I see here is focusing on macros over energy when the latter is clearly more important.
If you want to cut, keto works just fine for some people (usuall insulin resistant people, more on this later). If you want to bulk, it makes no sense at all. At least have some carbs around workouts or do some sort of cyclical thing if you don't feel great with a higher carb intake. Or go with keto and accept minimal results.
Of course you can adopt a recomp approach, which is what your sort of hinting at I think, but realize that this is inefficient vs traditional cutting/bulking phases. Not that I'm against it, the vast majority of my clients stay super lean year round and kind of need a "recomp" approach, just realize that its not really great for most people over the long term.
As for diabetics, dealing with T2M since that's the only one I have enough experience with, if we accept that insulin resistance is the primary cause then yes, keto diets would be a better choice. Insulin resistance & carb intolerance are, for the sake of simplicity, the same thing here. Of course if you consider it to be an insulin deficiency issue, rather than pure resistance, then it becomes a mixed picture.
I'm rambling so back to the original topic...
There is no advantage to running a keto diet permanently for generally healthy folks. In fact, I a willing to bet that its actually an unhealthy process
especially for women (I have seen bloodwork to support this position).
Doing it for a cut, fine. For a bulk, inefficient. Anything else long term, potentially unhealthy.