I Love Tren....Change my mind.

[Ron OG Mouse]

Parabolan was available, but everyone was afraid of it

Didn't see it on a lot of domestic source lists so it wasn't on my radar.

 

[Ron OG Mouse]

Thanks for all the feedback. I have taken it all in and I have made a few changes. This is what I'm looking at now.

Current Stats:
* Weight: 235 lbs
* Body Fat: 19% (scan from October)
*Doctor just cleared me to start cardio again
*Still can't lift above 10 lbs. Appointment in 2 weeks where I should get cleared to return fully.

Primary Goal:
Cut down to 12% body fat while staying as heavy and strong as possible. Priority is slow, steady fat loss while gaining strength. I'll remain in a caloric deficit without going too low, and if I hit 12% mid-cycle, (which I doubt) I'll bump calories slightly above maintenance. Thinking if I keep it at a 500cal deficit and keep my diet clean with the gear I can gain some decent strength. Hell even if I hit 15% and was strong as hell I'd be super happy.

Long-term target: Sit around 235-240 lbs at 12-15% body fat. Not in a rush and not interested in rapid weight loss just to hit the number in exchange for muscle loss. I've done this many times before and everytime I get impatient and fuck it up. Slow and steady now. Trying to not lose muscle. Time to be a grown man who learned his lessons as an idiot kid. I really have no patience at all LOL

Planned Cycle:
Anavar 50 mg ED, 8 weeks (oral)
Test E 600 mg/week, 16 weeks (IM)
Tren E 200 mg/week, 16 weeks (IM)
HGH 4 IU ED (SubQ)
Retatrutide 2 mg → 12 mg (slow ramp, evaluate every 4 weeks) (SubQ)
MotC 5 mg EOD (SubQ)
Slu-PP-332 1200 mcg 2x daily (SubQ)

After PCT I will go back to TRT and Reta

This is my current updated plan. I am newer to the peptide thing. I plan to try the slu subq this run but will try it capped next run and see what differences I feel. Trial and error just like I did with a lot of AS compounds.

I took out the Mast for now. I may run it in a follow up cycle but I have not used it before so I want that to be the only variable so I can evaluate how I do on it. This run the only variable will be peptides and the low dose of tren. 200mg is much lower than I have ever ran Tren. I will try micro dosing it even lower later but I wanna have some fun this run

Added Anavar. I'm not a huge fan of orals but in this case I think it fits in well. Hoping it will push the strength early.

 

[genetic freak]

I cannot run MOTS-c and SLU at the same time. My mitochondria spins out of control and it makes me tired AF. Worse than if I was on 18 iu of GH. I have to choose one or the other and add in some SS-31 on my non-training days.

My wife couldn't do it either. She could barely move on 1500 mcg of SLU ED and 1 mg of MOTS-c MWF. Pulled the MOTS-c and added in SS-31 on her non-training days and she bounced right back.

 

[tommyguns2]

I cannot run MOTS-c and SLU at the same time. My mitochondria spins out of control and it makes me tired AF. Worse than if I was on 18 iu of GH. I have to choose one or the other and add in some SS-31 on my non-training days.

My wife couldn't do it either. She could barely move on 1500 mcg of SLU ED and 1 mg of MOTS-c MWF. Pulled the MOTS-c and added in SS-31 on her non-training days and she bounced right back.

That's interesting to hear. Seems like SLU and MOTS-C would pair very well together, as they are both related to biogenesis of the mitochondria, while the SS-31 is more about repair of existing mitochondria. But the devil might be in the dosing.

If SLU/MOTS-C result in more mitochondria after being run, I wonder if they result (alone or together) in a permanent increase in BMR?

 

[Ron OG Mouse]

I cannot run MOTS-c and SLU at the same time. My mitochondria spins out of control and it makes me tired AF. Worse than if I was on 18 iu of GH. I have to choose one or the other and add in some SS-31 on my non-training days.

My wife couldn't do it either. She could barely move on 1500 mcg of SLU ED and 1 mg of MOTS-c MWF. Pulled the MOTS-c and added in SS-31 on her non-training days and she bounced right back.

I'll be mindful of that. I wanted to weave in some ss-31 too. I may still. Appreciate all your input. You have been super helpful with my peptides. Hope to see some good results.

 

[genetic freak]

That's interesting to hear. Seems like SLU and MOTS-C would pair very well together, as they are both related to biogenesis of the mitochondria, while the SS-31 is more about repair of existing mitochondria. But the devil might be in the dosing.

If SLU/MOTS-C result in more mitochondria after being run, I wonder if they result (alone or together) in a permanent increase in BMR?

I believe so. It is the only way I can explain the amount of food I am able to consume compared to what I have eaten in the past. Whether I am taking the SLU or MOTS-c or not, I am still eating twice as much food as I have in the past and I am pretty much stuck at 242 lbs. It has gotten to the point, everyone keeps asking when my show is as I am getting leaner by the week and the scale hasn't moved for weeks. I have even gone from a cheat meal a week to a cheat meal a day. Still hasn't budged and still getting leaner.

 

[SFGiants]

I have thoughts of taking tren ace for a few days just for the sex sides lol, I'm sure I will at some point.

 

[Ron OG Mouse]

I have thoughts of taking tren ace for a few days just for the sex sides lol, I'm sure I will at some point.

I saw someone saying they were doing that recently. Think it was someone here.