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I agree with II on this subject. Instead of struggling to grip something, I can just use straps and focus on the muscles I'm trying to work. This argument is super retarded. We essentially have two trains of thoughts here: 1.) YOU SHOULD LIFT EVERYTHING RAW and 2.) Grip strength isn't important to me.
I think both are valid. Option 2 fits me better because I'm not planning on competing in powerlifting, so what is grip strength to me? It's an inhibitor like II said, because my legs/back are much stronger than my grip. But to say that lifting raw and "only lifting what you can hold" is code, that's ludicrous.
I think both are valid. Option 2 fits me better because I'm not planning on competing in powerlifting, so what is grip strength to me? It's an inhibitor like II said, because my legs/back are much stronger than my grip. But to say that lifting raw and "only lifting what you can hold" is code, that's ludicrous.
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How many of you are top level pros? If that's how we are going to judge I guess you use the same routines as them? Same weight perhaps? Look at them before they reached that level and it will give you a better sense of what they were doing when they were your size. I've never seen kai or jay doing functional work so I can't really judge functional strength, what I can do is tell you at different levels of muscularity, different levels of a sport and for different goals you train differently. They are in fact training for vanity that is what bodybuilding is.
It was you II that said grip holds you back without straps...what's wrong with the idea of making a weakness a strength? I understand our goals differ as I want to be overall strong but I still don't see how anyone here can think that emulation of the pro's is the best course of action.
It was you II that said grip holds you back without straps...what's wrong with the idea of making a weakness a strength? I understand our goals differ as I want to be overall strong but I still don't see how anyone here can think that emulation of the pro's is the best course of action.
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Different goals. If you only want big muscles for show use all the hooks and cables and straps you like. I have no idea how much Jay or Kai can do on deadlifts for example, but I'm betting its a hell of a lot less without straps. Some people don't care about functional strength only looks, and thats fine. Its just not what I'm looking for.
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I appreciate your comments NN. They always have a lot of thought in them and I generally consider what you say. However, I never said that grip strength wasn't important but simply not the MOST IMPORTANT thing like ketsugo says. There's more than one way to build grip strength. Using straps, or in my case versa gripps, on heavy pulls does not mean I don't do exercise for grip. And yeah, for me it's all about trying to build muscle... for appearance. You call it vanity, but IMO most of the goals discussed in here are for vanity as well.
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I don't disagree II as far as importance it depends on the person and the persons goals, generally it helps everyone to have strong grip and forearms in daily life but how much strength you need there depends on what you do for sure. I'm not using vanity in a negative connotation, if that's someone's goal more power to them, my goal is to be as strong as I can be and through good nutrition and said training I still end up looking pretty decent, it's just a difference in ideals and I wouldn't want to put someone down just because they are different as I wouldn't want that done to me.
For what its worth I have a pair of versa's (actually power grips) but I havn't used them in a long time. I'm not trying to imply they should never be used, just that if someone has an issue with any bodypart focusing on that area will help where as ignoring the issue just makes it worse over time. It's good that you work grip as it's own component I do as well.
For what its worth I have a pair of versa's (actually power grips) but I havn't used them in a long time. I'm not trying to imply they should never be used, just that if someone has an issue with any bodypart focusing on that area will help where as ignoring the issue just makes it worse over time. It's good that you work grip as it's own component I do as well.