Aight finally tried them out today and they just might not be the shoes for me, i started out with just the bar warming up then 1 plate, 2 plates and when i got to 3 plates it felt like they were making me roll forward.... I didnt widen the stance like i said i was going to do i kept a fairly wide stance and maybe i should come in closer idk but instead of doing that inwent back into the locker room and got out my chucks lol..... I wont return them tho ill keep the shoes and maybe play around with them on some lighter leg days or whatever....