My 20 week cycle...!!!

[Spartan86]

Week 1.testex 250mg,primobolan 200mg,tren acetate 200mg,2iu hgh
Week 2.testex 500mg,primobolan 300mg,tren acetate 300mg,3iu hgh
Week 3.testex 750mg,primobolan 400mg,tren acetate 300mg,4iu hgh
Week 4.testex 750mg,primobolan 400mg,tren acetate 300mg,5iu hgh
Week 5.testex 750mg,primobolan 400mg,tren acetate 300mg,5iu hgh
Week 6.testex 750mg,primobolan 400mg,tren acetate 300mg,5iu hgh
Week 7.testex 750mg,primobolan 400mg,tren acetate 300mg,5iu hgh
Week 8.testex 500mg,primobolan 400mg,tren acetate 200mg,5iu hgh
Week 9.testovis 300mg,primobolan 300mg,boldenone 250mg,5iu hgh
Week 10.testovis 400mg,primobolan 200mg,boldenone 500mg,5iu hgh
Week 11.testovis 400mg,masteron 200mg,boldenone 500mg,5iu hgh
Week 12.testovis 400mg,masteron 300mg,boldenone 500mg,5iu hgh
Week 13.testovis 400mg,masteron 300mg,boldenone 500mg,5iu hgh
Week 14.testovis 400mg,masteron 300mg,boldenone 500mg,5iu hgh
Week 15.testovis 400mg,masteron 300mg,boldenone 500mg,5iu hgh
Week 16.testovis 400mg,masteron300mg,boldenone 500mg,5iu hgh
Week 17.testovis 400mg,masteron 300mg,boldenone 500mg,5iu hgh
Week 18.testovis 400mg,masteron 300mg,boldenone 500mg,5iu hgh
Week.19.testovis 300mg,masteron 200mg,boldenone 250mg,5u hgh
Week 20.testovis 200mg,5iu hgh

 

[Rider]

What's your goals, and stats brother? How many cycles do you have under your belt? I'm guessing from the cycle layout, your going for a lean mass/cutting cycle.

 

[ROCKETW19]

holly shit tat gives me a head ache,lol why are you ramping up doses? you gonna run Gh longer than 20 weeks correct?

primo and mast doses seem a bit low. I will admit I never used primo but from what I see 500 seems to be the dose. now mast I have used plenty of times and 300 won't cut it for me or most I see post. I personally like it at 450

 

[dr jim]

Week 1.testex 250mg,primobolan 200mg,tren acetate 200mg,2iu hgh
Week 2.testex 500mg,primobolan 300mg,tren acetate 300mg,3iu hgh
Week 3.testex 750mg,primobolan 400mg,tren acetate 300mg,4iu hgh
Week 4.testex 750mg,primobolan 400mg,tren acetate 300mg,5iu hgh
Week 5.testex 750mg,primobolan 400mg,tren acetate 300mg,5iu hgh
Week 6.testex 750mg,primobolan 400mg,tren acetate 300mg,5iu hgh
Week 7.testex 750mg,primobolan 400mg,tren acetate 300mg,5iu hgh
Week 8.testex 500mg,primobolan 400mg,tren acetate 200mg,5iu hgh
Week 9.testovis 300mg,primobolan 300mg,boldenone 250mg,5iu hgh
Week 10.testovis 400mg,primobolan 200mg,boldenone 500mg,5iu hgh
Week 11.testovis 400mg,masteron 200mg,boldenone 500mg,5iu hgh
Week 12.testovis 400mg,masteron 300mg,boldenone 500mg,5iu hgh
Week 13.testovis 400mg,masteron 300mg,boldenone 500mg,5iu hgh
Week 14.testovis 400mg,masteron 300mg,boldenone 500mg,5iu hgh
Week 15.testovis 400mg,masteron 300mg,boldenone 500mg,5iu hgh
Week 16.testovis 400mg,masteron300mg,boldenone 500mg,5iu hgh
Week 17.testovis 400mg,masteron 300mg,boldenone 500mg,5iu hgh
Week 18.testovis 400mg,masteron 300mg,boldenone 500mg,5iu hgh
Week.19.testovis 300mg,masteron 200mg,boldenone 250mg,5u hgh
Week 20.testovis 200mg,5iu hgh

Hey why are you going to stop at 20, because most VETS will tell you, the benefits of CYCLICAL AAS use plateaus around 12 weeks AND certainly MUCH sooner than 20!

jim

 

[Get Some]

Hey why are you going to stop at 20, because most VETS will tell you, the benefits of CYCLICAL AAS use plateaus around 12 weeks AND certainly MUCH sooner than 20!

jim

Changing compounds allows you to extend the viability of the cycle for about double the normal length. HOWEVER, it will also increase the need for a proper PCT because you will be shut down that much longer.

For me, you could trim this cycle down and move some things around to save time, pinning, and money while increasing overall effectiveness. GH is fine but here is an idea for the AAS usage:

Weeks 1-12 Test 500-750mg, Primo OR EQ 500+mg
Weeks 13-20 Test 250mg, Tren Ace 400mg, Mast Prop 400mg

This allows you to make good muscle gains in the beginning and cut them up at the end. I would say if it were me I would use either Deca for the first 12 weeks or add an oral for the first 4-6 so you can maximize size gains (instead of using the primo). Primo is a fine choice but you won't gain as much as Deca and Primo certainly costs a TON more money. There is no need to taper anything, in fact it will only hurt you in reaching maximum levels if you start with a lower dose than your overall peak dosage.

 

[dr jim]

Changing compounds allows you to extend the viability of the cycle for about double the normal length. HOWEVER, it will also increase the need for a proper PCT because you will be shut down that much longer.

For me, you could trim this cycle down and move some things around to save time, pinning, and money while increasing overall effectiveness. GH is fine but here is an idea for the AAS usage:

Weeks 1-12 Test 500-750mg, Primo OR EQ 500+mg
Weeks 13-20 Test 250mg, Tren Ace 400mg, Mast Prop 400mg

This allows you to make good muscle gains in the beginning and cut them up at the end. I would say if it were me I would use either Deca for the first 12 weeks or add an oral for the first 4-6 so you can maximize size gains (instead of using the primo). Primo is a fine choice but you won't gain as much as Deca and Primo certainly costs a TON more money. There is no need to taper anything, in fact it will only hurt you in reaching maximum levels if you start with a lower dose than your overall peak dosage.

Perhaps your correct BUT the gains during weeks 1-12 will far exceed those of 12-20. Why? Tolerance builds to the anabolic effects of AAS over time UNLESS the HTPA is restored and an interval of "rest" occurs. I'm not saying gains will not occur in weeks 12-20 (regardless of AAS used) but they will pale in comparison to the benefits of weeks 1-12, IME

How about more vets opinions especially since there is NO LITERATURE on the subject that I'm aware of.

 

[Jenner]

Hey why are you going to stop at 20, because most VETS will tell you, the benefits of CYCLICAL AAS use plateaus around 12 weeks AND certainly MUCH sooner than 20!

jim

I've been good up to 16 weeks

 

[dr jim]

I've been good up to 16 weeks

Thanks Jen, and I'll go there also, but beyond 16 WEEKS, NOPE!

(I will add that "cruising" between cycles also has it's proponents but HTPA suppression still occurs and that's not good from a physiologic perspective, IME)

 

[ROCKETW19]

Perhaps your correct BUT the gains during weeks 1-12 will far exceed those of 12-20. Why? Tolerance builds to the anabolic effects of AAS over time UNLESS the HTPA is restored and an interval of "rest" occurs. I'm not saying gains will not occur in weeks 12-20 (regardless of AAS used) but they will pale in comparison to the benefits of weeks 1-12, IME

How about more vets opinions especially since there is NO LITERATURE on the subject that I'm aware of.

This isn't what your looking for but I do not like 12 week cycles
I prefer 16 or even 20
true most gains come I the first 12 but how much is real and how much ya gonna keep? I kept more gains longer I stayed on. I to switch compounds up with test as my base
but with 12 weeks I'd make 3 steps forward and 2 back after 12 week cycle
this is just my personal experance though

 

[brutus79]

Thanks Jen, and I'll go there also, but beyond 16 WEEKS, NOPE!

(I will add that "cruising" between cycles also has it's proponents but HTPA suppression still occurs and that's not good from a physiologic perspective, IME)

So are you also saying those on trt will have less effective cycles? (Blasts?)

 

[Jenner]

So are you also saying those on trt will have less effective cycles? (Blasts?)

now that's a great question! I would like to know also.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

So are you also saying those on trt will have less effective cycles? (Blasts?)

I'd imagine GAINS wouldn't be as great during a B&C because you're not LOSING as much as you would doing a PCT.. There's less to make up in the beginning of a blast than if you just came off PCT. Thus, less "gains".

It's a lot easier to get back to a point you've been at before than it is to make new gains..

There's my rambling thought, look forward to Doc Jim's answer...