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graniteman

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Yes they are very brave, but don't forget to spare a thought for the victims

Why do we ignore the civilians killed in American wars?

By John Tirman,

As the United States officially ended the war in Iraq last month, President Obama spoke eloquently at Fort Bragg, N.C., lauding troops for “your patriotism, your commitment to fulfill your mission, your abiding commitment to one another,” and offering words of grief for the nearly 4,500 members of the U.S. armed forces who died in Iraq. He did not, however, mention the sacrifices of the Iraqi people.
This inattention to civilian deaths in America’s wars isn’t unique to Iraq. There’s little evidence that the American public gives much thought to the people who live in the nations where our military interventions take place. Think about the memorials on the Mall honoring American sacrifices in Korea and Vietnam. These are powerful, sacred spots, but neither mentions the people of those countries who perished in the conflicts.

The major wars the United States has fought since the surrender of Japan in 1945 — in Korea, Indochina, Iraq and Afghanistan — have produced colossal carnage. For most of them, we do not have an accurate sense of how many people died, but a conservative estimate is at least 6 million civilians and soldiers.
Our lack of acknowledgment is less oversight than habit, a self-reflective reaction to the horrors of war and an American tradition that goes back decades. We consider ourselves a generous and compassionate nation, and often we are...

However, when it comes to our wars overseas, concern for the victims is limited to U.S. troops. When concern for the native populations is expressed, it tends to be more strategic than empathetic, as with Gen. David H. Petraeus’s acknowledgment in late 2006 that harsh U.S. tactics were alienating Iraqi civilians and undermining Operation Iraqi Freedom

The wars in Korea and Indochina were extremely deadly. While estimates of Korean War deaths are mainly guesswork, the three-year conflict is widely believed to have taken 3 million lives, about half of them civilians. The sizable civilian toll was partly due to the fact that the country’s population is among the world’s densest and the war’s front lines were often moving.
The war in Vietnam and the spillover conflicts in Laos and Cambodia were even more lethal. These numbers are also hard to pin down, although by several scholarly estimates, Vietnamese military and civilian deaths ranged from 1.5 million to 3.8 million, with the U.S.-led campaign in Cambodia resulting in 600,000 to 800,000 deaths, and Laotian war mortality estimated at about 1 million....
Why the American silence on our wars’ main victims? Our self-image, based on what cultural historian Richard Slotkin calls “the frontier myth” — in which righteous violence is used to subdue or annihilate the savages of whatever land we’re trying to conquer — plays a large role. For hundreds of years, the frontier myth has been one of America’s sturdiest national narratives.
When the challenges from communism in Korea and Vietnam appeared, we called on these cultural tropes to understand the U.S. mission overseas. The same was true for Iraq and Afghanistan, with the news media and politicians frequently portraying Islamic terrorists as frontier savages. By framing each of these wars as a battle to civilize a lawless culture, we essentially typecast the local populations as theIndians of our North American conquest. ...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...merican-wars/2011/12/05/gIQALCO4eP_story.html

Why would you post this idiots rantings in a thread Honoring Fallen American troops? Too many guys lost their lives because of assholes like this guy and his kind that put ridiculous ROE's on our guys. I feel for civilians but if it's a choice between the two, I vote every single American Troop comes Home.
 
graniteman

graniteman

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I suggest buying loan survivor. It has extras that show the director and everyone of the cast that played his team members went and meet each ones family and got to know them so they could play the role more true to the way the seal was. Also Marcus was there as they made the movie and told them how it had to be done pretty awesome.

Yep and he was actually in a few scenes, torchin the new guy and when the chinook went down
 
Dtownry

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Lol we probably have bumped into each other lol. My personal details I'm always paranoid to share but that much is ironic .

Nothing like good old Fayetteville eh boys? I am a new guy here but when I hear Bragg I know we all have fond memories. Camp Mackall, not so much.

ALL THE WAY.


A couple good books for those that liked Lone Survivor:

The Mission the Men and Me
Lions of Khandahar
and my favorite - Fearless : the story of Adam Brown it will blow your tits off
 
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