Illegals Allowed to Rally whil WWII Memorial closed???

[woodswise]

The car or in this case healthcare isn't bought until it's paid for. They agreed to buy it. No one agreed to plunge closer to bankrupting the country to get it.

What would have cost more? The old car is reliable. This bitch just wants a big SUV that's going to consume more gas so she can show it off to he rest of her girlfriends. Between the car note (healthcare payment) and gas (deductibles) it's going to end up costing the general public far far more than it would have to just go buy independent health coverage.

Maybe you don't understand.

Under the old healthcare system no one could be denied emergency services. So those without insurance (the poor, illegals, etc.) would go to the emergency room for almost anything. The rest of us paid for their very expensive emergency room visits in higher insurance premiums, and government subsidies to hospitals.

Under the old system the cost of health insurance and health care was rising much more quickly than the rate of inflation and had done so for the past 20 or so years.

Under Obamacare, we are simply changing how the whole thing is paid for, and including everyone (including healthy young people) in the system, which would not work if only sick and elderly people participated.

The theory (which has yet to be proven) is that with coverage for basic healthcare people will take better care of themselves and over time the cost of healthcare will stop rising so quickly, and might actually decrease compared to the rate of inflation.

So while the Teapublican clowns are doing their very best to crash Obamacare, and are threatening to crash the whole nation's economy (i.e. holding us hostage) in order to get their way, there is a very real problem that requires a solution.

What solution do the Teapublicans or normal Republicans have to offer? Wait . . . it's coming . . . their solution that they offered back when Hilary Clinton was working for universal healthcare was . . . the Affordable Care Act . . . Yes Obamacare is based on a Republican proposal, back when Republicans solved more problems than they created.

And now we get to Obama's greatest error in thinking as a President. He actually believed, that if he based his solution on a Republican idea, the Republicans would agree with him that it was a good approach. What he did not realize is the Republican party was about to go down into Alice's rabbit hole with the Tea Party.

And now that they are down the rabbit hole, what do they offer as a solution to the healthcare problem? Nothing. Well, they offer what we already had: the free market. But America already saw how that didn't work for healthcare . . . .

 

[shortz]

Maybe you don't understand.

Under the old healthcare system no one could be denied emergency services. So those without insurance (the poor, illegals, etc.) would go to the emergency room for almost anything. The rest of us paid for their very expensive emergency room visits in higher insurance premiums, and government subsidies to hospitals.

Under the old system the cost of health insurance and health care was rising much more quickly than the rate of inflation and had done so for the past 20 or so years.

Under Obamacare, we are simply changing how the whole thing is paid for, and including everyone (including healthy young people) in the system, which would not work if only sick and elderly people participated.

The theory (which has yet to be proven) is that with coverage for basic healthcare people will take better care of themselves and over time the cost of healthcare will stop rising so quickly, and might actually decrease compared to the rate of inflation.

So while the Teapublican clowns are doing their very best to crash Obamacare, and are threatening to crash the whole nation's economy (i.e. holding us hostage) in order to get their way, there is a very real problem that requires a solution.

What solution do the Teapublicans or normal Republicans have to offer? Wait . . . it's coming . . . their solution that they offered back when Hilary Clinton was working for universal healthcare was . . . the Affordable Care Act . . . Yes Obamacare is based on a Republican proposal, back when Republicans solved more problems than they created.

And now we get to Obama's greatest error in thinking as a President. He actually believed, that if he based his solution on a Republican idea, the Republicans would agree with him that it was a good approach. What he did not realize is the Republican party was about to go down into Alice's rabbit hole with the Tea Party.

And now that they are down the rabbit hole, what do they offer as a solution to the healthcare problem? Nothing. Well, they offer what we already had: the free market. But America already saw how that didn't work for healthcare . . . .

The original ACA was nowhere near what it is today. Obama changed a shit load of the bill. Did you actually think he would pass the same exact thing without adding a bunch of his own policies? You're a fool if you thikn it's actually the same exact bill.

Healthcare in America appeals to the American people's entitlement. They want convenience, they want things as soon as they step through the door, they want to demand things etc. The issue in the ER isn't actually the uninsured. It's actually people who are coming to the ER for non-emergencies and demanding care. What happens then, is that medicaid denies the coverage, because it wasn't warranted, and now the bill goes unpaid. When the ACA is in full effect, that will change nothing. People will still abuse the ER for non-emergencies, and the ACA will still deny the bills. We have tons of illegals down here in Texas. The ONLY time we see them is when they are really, really, sick. They aren't the ones abusing the system. It's the ones on medicaid, because they don't understand how the system works. They think medicaid will pay for it, and will tell you that to your face. You get the "Oh, I gots medicaid, dey will pay fo dat".

 

[IronCore]

well said shortz... took the words out of my mouth...

Obamacare is only going to make those of us who already pay... PAY MORE... and get less for our money...

IF it is SO DAMN GOOD WW... why doesnt Obama or the dems want it for themselves???????

Please tell me that!

 

[JR Ewing]

Was it the Tea Party who denied death benefits to the families of military members killed in combat? Or put up the barricade to keep 90 year old WW2 vets out of a public open-air memorial while they spent millions in tax dollars a few yards away throwing an amnesty riot for a bunch of illegal aliens? Just a couple of examples.

We can service the debt by paying out less than 10% of what we take in in monthly revenues. There is no "default" risk - more Koolaide the admin is pouring down your liberals' throats. How much more do we need to keep borrowing? Do you think we can keep doing this?

I have no doubt Obamacare will "fail" by any sane, rational person's definition of the word. That's probably their end-goal anyway - go to single payer at best, or perhaps use it to finally turn us into a totally bankrupt 3rd world socialist shithole or worse.

Even if those things don't happen and it does fail on its own, I have a hard time believing that we will be able to successfully overturn it eventually. I'm sure Sharpton, Jackson, the MSNBC crew, and the rest of the loony radical left will scream bloody murder about taking the entitlement away from whatever small handful of people nationwide who may actually derive any short term "benefit" from the plan.

I don't understand why you liberals have a problem with the constitutional process of checks and balances. You think that because this snakeoil salesman and his flunkies managed to "win" 2 elections, we all must be forced to lay down and be subject to his majesty's every whim, and that we cannot do anything about the abomination he lied about and convinced his flunkies to push through and cram down our throats.

He's like the used car salesman who lies about the condition of the clunker he sells you, or the mortgage broker who sells you an ARM without telling you that the 3.25% rate you have now will soon be 18%. If I ran my business the way he runs the country, I'd be sued into oblivion and forced out of my industry.

And here's a few of your fellow compassionate liberal koolaid drinkers who don't really give a damn after all about middle class people. All they care about is singing the praises of Allah Obama. Two women in the audience who are well known democrat hacks both literally said words to the effect of "you lost, get over it" when several middle class families' stories were told about their premiums going up 3-10 FOLD!

Whatever happened to "You can keep your doctor. You can keep your plan. AFFORDABLE health care!", etc.?


http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/index.html#http://video.foxnews.com/v/2746412768001/is-america-heading-for-default/?playlist_id=86924

Wow, talk about 1984 Doublespeak!

The "unnecessary shutdowns put in place by the admin" ???

Oh you mean the government shut down by the House Republicans, who are blocking an up or down vote on the Senate spending bill?

"drama and dirty politics" ???

Oh you mean blaming the shut down on the President and Democrats, when the Republicans have been planning to shut down government for the past several months?

"King Barry who apparently wants a blank check" ????

Oh you mean Obama and the Democrats want the Republicans to re-open government, and raise the debt limit so the budget passed by both houses can be funded as voted on?

Your double speak doesn't fool a majority of Americans, and until you learn to be honest about the basic undeniable facts, you and your party will continue to be on the losing end of politics in this country.

 

[Jenner]

Was it the Tea Party who denied death benefits to the families of military members killed in combat? Or put up the barricade to keep 90 year old WW2 vets out of a public open-air memorial while they spent millions in tax dollars a few yards away throwing an amnesty riot for a bunch of illegal aliens? Just a couple of examples.

We can service the debt by paying out less than 10% of what we take in in monthly revenues. There is no "default" risk - more Koolaide the admin is pouring down your liberals' throats. How much more do we need to keep borrowing? Do you think we can keep doing this?

I have no doubt Obamacare will "fail" by any sane, rational person's definition of the word. That's probably their end-goal anyway - go to single payer at best, or perhaps use it to finally turn us into a totally bankrupt 3rd world socialist shithole or worse.

Even if those things don't happen and it does fail on its own, I have a hard time believing that we will be able to successfully overturn it eventually. I'm sure Sharpton, Jackson, the MSNBC crew, and the rest of the loony radical left will scream bloody murder about taking the entitlement away from whatever small handful of people nationwide who may actually derive any short term "benefit" from the plan.

I don't understand why you liberals have a problem with the constitutional process of checks and balances. You think that because this snakeoil salesman and his flunkies managed to "win" 2 elections, we all must be forced to lay down and be subject to his majesty's every whim, and that we cannot do anything about the abomination he lied about and convinced his flunkies to push through and cram down our throats.

He's like the used car salesman who lies about the condition of the clunker he sells you, or the mortgage broker who sells you an ARM without telling you that the 3.25% rate you have now will soon be 18%. If I ran my business the way he runs the country, I'd be sued into oblivion and forced out of my industry.

And here's a few of your fellow compassionate liberal koolaid drinkers who don't really give a damn after all about middle class people. All they care about is singing the praises of Allah Obama. Two women in the audience who are well known democrat hacks both literally said words to the effect of "you lost, get over it" when several middle class families' stories were told about their premiums going up 3-10 FOLD!

Whatever happened to "You can keep your doctor. You can keep your plan. AFFORDABLE health care!", etc.?


http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/index.html#http://video.foxnews.com/v/2746412768001/is-america-heading-for-default/?playlist_id=86924

and when was this????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

 

[JR Ewing]

and when was this????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

That's what it's called, Darlin.

 

[Jenner]

That's what it's called, Darlin.

lol, thought since you were saying..."whatever happened to" that you were saying there was once affordable healthcare!

 

[IronCore]

dammit jen... stop tying to de-rail...

I see your boobies... how about an ass shot????

 

[69nites]

Woodside anyone that isn't going to pay now, did not pay before. If it wasn't covered by state aid it was covered by private charities.

If you were impoverished before Obamacare and needed health care, you go to the hospital get treatment and contract the billing department. They give you a list of charities and help you to know if you qualify. You put in your paperwork to the charities and they pay your bill. Even if you can't get it all covered most will be.

And people that were too lazy to do that just gave an alias and never got billed.

So the people that are paying nothing now were covered by charity before and the people that were paying for insurance and medical care are going to be paying more for it after.

Do you not see the problem?

 

[Mike_RN]

Woodside anyone that isn't going to pay now, did not pay before. If it wasn't covered by state aid it was covered by private charities.

If you were impoverished before Obamacare and needed health care, you go to the hospital get treatment and contract the billing department. They give you a list of charities and help you to know if you qualify. You put in your paperwork to the charities and they pay your bill. Even if you can't get it all covered most will be.

And people that were too lazy to do that just gave an alias and never got billed.

So the people that are paying nothing now were covered by charity before and the people that were paying for insurance and medical care are going to be paying more for it after.

Do you not see the problem?

I manage a very busy Emergency Department in one of the worst cities in America and I assure you...you are way off. I am responsible for 140 FTEs and they all have to be paid. We recuperate $0.30 on the dollar for all of the charity care we "give away". Does that sound like a good return? There are no "private charities" covering most of it at least not in NJ/NY/PA area. Not sure where you are getting your facts, but this is my daily reality.

 

[69nites]

I manage a very busy Emergency Department in one of the worst cities in America and I assure you...you are way off. I am responsible for 140 FTEs and they all have to be paid. We recuperate $0.30 on the dollar for all of the charity care we "give away". Does that sound like a good return? There are no "private charities" covering most of it at least not in NJ/NY/PA area. Not sure where you are getting your facts, but this is my daily reality.

Before I made something of myself I was a recipient.

It takes actual work filling out papers And seeking the help.

And with all due respect being a nurse doesn't mean you know shit about getting assistance.

 

[Mike_RN]

All due respect I'm the manager and yes I do