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have u ever tryed unsterile oils?

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this thread was for people to realize that u can bank on it that at one time u all have injected unfiltered stuff...more so u long timers that have been juiceing more then 10 years...sources can get away with this ...They run out of filters and have orders pending so they just fill them up....hOW MANY OF U THINK THIS IS POSSIBLE?...I can sit here as alab rat and say YES ...Ive proven this theroy...two times within the last 2 days....dw
 

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Well this is where I base my information from on baking. I have used this practice with great results but I can say that I have only done it with Test E, EQ, and Fina.
I got this information from BASSKILLERONLINE.com

Sterilization


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1.Definition
* Not producing or incapable of producing offspring.
a. Not producing or incapable of producing seed, fruit spores, or other reproductive structures. Used of plants or their parts.
b. Producing little or no vegetation; unfruitful: sterile land
* Free from live bacteria or other microorganisms: a sterile operating area; sterile instruments.
*Sterilization

Drying or freezing kills many species of bacteria and causes others to become inactive. Heat above a certain temperature kills all bacteria. Sterilization of objects such as surgical instruments is an important part of bacteriological work.

Antiseptic :1 a : [opposing sepsis, putrefaction, or decay; especially : preventing or arresting the growth of microorganisms (as on living tissue) b : acting or protecting like an antiseptic]

Antiseptics, physical or chemical agents that prevent decay and infection by destroying microorganisms. Antiseptics are used for food preservation (see Food Processing and Preservation), sterilization of water in public water systems, and medicine. English surgeon Joseph Lister initiated the use of antiseptics to treat wounds when he developed a carbolic acid solution in 1868. Major antiseptics used since then include bichloride of mercury, iodine, boric acid, alcohol, bchlorine, and the hypochlorites.

Definition
1. The act or procedure of sterilizing.
2. The condition of being sterile or sterilized.

<Preparation of dosage forms>

Sterile medicaments.


Some drugs cannot be given orally, because they are decomposed by the digestive processes; these drugs must be administered by injection, intravenously, intramuscularly, or subcutaneously (under the skin). It is imperative that such injected solutions be free from microorganisms or toxic agents; other pharmaceutical preparations that must be sterile include eyedrops, eye lotions, eye ointments, implants, powders to be applied to wounds or body cavities, and any solution or preparation to be used in surgical operations, such as surgical dressings, ligatures, and sutures. (see also Index: sterilization)

There are several main methods for preparing sterile products. Steam sterilization is carried out in an enclosed chamber (autoclave). The material is distributed into its final containers, which are sealed to exclude microorganisms. The containers are then placed in the autoclave and subjected to saturated steam under pressure at a temperature of 121 C (250 F) for 15 minutes. Substances stable in heat may be sterilized at higher temperatures, for which a shorter heating period is sufficient; conversely, lower temperatures require longer sterilization periods.


Pharmaceuticals in which the solvent is not water cannot be sterilized by steam, so dry heat at temperatures of 140 C (284 F) or higher is used, with exposure times ranging from one to four hours. The temperature-time relationship is similar to that for steam sterilization. Another technique is gaseous sterilization, in which the material is exposed to a vapour or gas such as ethylene oxide; this method is much used for foods, biologicals, and medical equipment (e.g., cotton wool, syringes, needles, and tubing). Radiation sterilization generally involves exposure to ultraviolet or gamma radiation or high-energy electrons; its use is limited mainly to the production of sterile medicaments and apparatus on a large scale. The final method, aseptic manipulation, is not actually a sterilization process. Here, the separate ingredients of the pharmaceutical are all available in sterile form and merely require compounding without microbial contamination.
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Injections are aqueous or oily solutions, suspensions or emulsions, prepared by normal methods, with special care taken to remove all extraneous particulate matter. Injections must be sterilized by one of the methods given above. Some aqueous injections are not stable and so are prepared at the time of use by adding sterile water to the sterile drug.


Eyedrops, eye lotions, and eye ointments are all prepared by general methods, but they must be sterile. The pH value (acid-alkaline content) of eyedrops and eye lotions is important; a compromise must be made between the ideal value of 7.4 (almost neutral) and the value of greatest stability or therapeutic activity. Implants or pellets are prepared either by fusion and molding of the drug or by compression of the sterile crystals.


OK fellas for you that have read this now you see why i bake. I also bake at 280 or so normally. the stoppers will not melt if the rack is lowered in the oven well away from the top. let the oven preheat then place vial/vials in oven for a minimum of 1 hour. Turn the oven off and let cool to room temp before removing product. Make sure to calibrate you ovens from time to time with a thermometer. If you do study this out you will find some data showing that 340f for 2 hours is needed. After working in the Pharm business for several years, for our application, this is not necessarry. All of the numbers the labs have determined are on the high side just to be safe. I have always recommened 250-275 with emphasis on 275.

we have already determined that BA is a preservative and not a sterlizing agent in previous discussions. Pressure filtration in conjunction with heat sterlization is the safest route we have to making a sterile product for Sub-Q, IM injection or depot. Now this just applies to oily solutions/suspensions. Aqueous solutions/suspensions normally require autoclaving in conjunction with antimicrobials.

hope you guys found this intersting and that all read it who are considering home brewing. There some nasty stuff out there that can cripple or kill if it is injected into your body. Be smart and play it safe. .
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Pharmaceuticals in which the solvent is not water cannot be sterilized by steam, so dry heat at temperatures of 140 C (284 F) or higher is used, with exposure times ranging from one to four hours. The temperature-time relationship is similar to that for steam sterilization. Another technique is gaseous sterilization, in which the material is exposed to a vapour or gas such as ethylene oxide; this method is much used for foods, biologicals, and medical equipment (e.g., cotton wool, syringes, needles, and tubing). Radiation sterilization generally involves exposure to ultraviolet or gamma radiation or high-energy electrons; its use is limited mainly to the production of sterile medicaments and apparatus on a large scale. The final method, aseptic manipulation, is not actually a sterilization process. Here, the separate ingredients of the pharmaceutical are all available in sterile form and merely require compounding without microbial contamination.
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Injections are aqueous or oily solutions, suspensions or emulsions, prepared by normal methods, with special care taken to remove all extraneous particulate matter. Injections must be sterilized by one of the methods given above. Some aqueous injections are not stable and so are prepared at the time of use by adding sterile water to the sterile drug.

I wan't actual links ! of chemist not BassKiller on line ! lmao

I don't see any solid backing on heating depots with oils and long carbon structures like Test E which will denature at 300 and most likely burn in 1 hour.
There pulling bits and pieces off the net that doesn't have a fucking thing to do whith actualy chemistry and the properties of hormones/heat
You go ahead and heat somthing at 340 F for an hour or two and watch your bottle of Tren/test whatever you got start smoking lol!
And then they cover there dumb statements with "normal go with 250 to 275 Just like I told you! I'm gona enjoy working on this thread!
Not to mention BA will start to vaporize at those ridiculous temps listed above.
 

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this thread was for people to realize that u can bank on it that at one time u all have injected unfiltered stuff...more so u long timers that have been juiceing more then 10 years...sources can get away with this ...They run out of filters and have orders pending so they just fill them up....hOW MANY OF U THINK THIS IS POSSIBLE?...I can sit here as alab rat and say YES ...Ive proven this theroy...two times within the last 2 days....dw

As long as your heating it in the oven @ 250F for an hour D-dubs.
 
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this thread was for people to realize that u can bank on it that at one time u all have injected unfiltered stuff...more so u long timers that have been juiceing more then 10 years...sources can get away with this ...They run out of filters and have orders pending so they just fill them up....hOW MANY OF U THINK THIS IS POSSIBLE?...I can sit here as alab rat and say YES ...Ive proven this theroy...two times within the last 2 days....dw

I get it...we just took it a little off track..lol

It's not only possible dw...its highly probable that this has happened to many if not the majority at one point or another. Both through corners being cut by the lab or through their lack of knowledge on e subject...hell even through our own indiscretions.
 
Gstacker

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this thread was for people to realize that u can bank on it that at one time u all have injected unfiltered stuff...more so u long timers that have been juiceing more then 10 years...sources can get away with this ...They run out of filters and have orders pending so they just fill them up....hOW MANY OF U THINK THIS IS POSSIBLE?...I can sit here as alab rat and say YES ...Ive proven this theroy...two times within the last 2 days....dw

I've wondered this before ofcourse.... For those that have been jooked and got str8 oil with no hormone I bet it happens more, but ya I can see it happining with real gear to... I'm sure I've had some unfiltered gear before.
 
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I have no time to get very technical with this, I am simply going to view if anything is dead or alive under the microscope, identification is another issue which I have no time for at the moment.


Are you going to culture them on agar plates? Let me know if you want some help with identifying them. I may be able to help.
 
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Anyone wanting more info on this subject should do a search for USP 797. It covers standards for Pharmaceutical Compounding and sterile preparations.
 
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I wan't actual links ! of chemist not BassKiller on line ! lmao

In there he states he worked in the pharm biz for several years and he was talking about how they do it there. That was the key part of that paste. Further more at the time of me finding that info I also found suppoting info, and no, im not gonna dig it up. Im just saying its been working for me for years now, never burnt a thing, gear's always good.
 
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SHINE, your use of charts remind me of the time Ross Perot ran for President....lol


Most don't understand the articles above, there moist heat is refering to boiling water or (Moist heat methods as in steam under pressure - autoclave 15psi 120C 10-40min)
look at the chart below of heat temps and times of moist heat for the killing of endospores. 250F will work. not only is your depot a moist heat it has the solvents like BA and a bit of pressure in the bottle like an auto clave that will add to the effects of heating to kill the spores as well. (and for those that don't know 120C is 248F!!! Ta da! So you see an Hour is enuff to kill the bacteria, Don't feel safe and like that's enuff do two - three heat and cool cycles then.

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In there he states he worked in the pharm biz for several years and he was talking about how they do it there. That was the key part of that paste. Further more at the time of me finding that info I also found suppoting info, and no, im not gonna dig it up. Im just saying its been working for me for years now, never burnt a thing, gear's always good.

and most of those guys unless they work for Watson
or
Delatestryl® - Indivas
Delestrogen® - Upjohn
Depo-Estradiol® - Upjohn
Depo-Provera® - Upjohn
Depo-Testosterone® - Varies
Novarel® - Ferring
Pregnyl® - Organon
Testosterone Cypionate (Cottonseed Oil) - Sandoz

don't compound it they get it from these guys!

I could care less what the guy says, mixing cough syrup together leaves him far from knowing shit about Hormone chemistry.
heating to 275F doesn't mean you ain't denaturing the hormone either. Closer you get to 300 the chances are your doing some damage. (even with the oil carrier as an insulator)

Sure 275 will work but you better make sure your temp is accurate is my point.
 
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jeebus shine...your a fucking genius and shit....

I do say this... If a source doesn't filter then they need to be outed immediately... that shit is NOT cool...
 
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