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Always Add Proviron Into Your Cycle

C

CBS

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So wait, you're a doctor and you took pharm grade proviron on what you refer to as a "cycle" by itself? There are too many holes in this statement to ascertain your credibility.


What "holes" do you see in that story? Please tell.



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Probably a good idea.


It's "you're" as in "you are", not your. Any doctor should know that.

And if YOU'RE claiming that you were prescribed "metholone", you might want to double check wiki for the proper term because it's mesterolone that we're discussing.


Oh no! Not the dreaded spelling flame! Boy, you really showed him. :rolleyes:

You know, when YOUR argument consists of nothing more that YOUR say so, resorting to the use of ad hominems probably isn't the most effective tactic to use. Anybody smart enough to correct spelling errors "should know that." Just sayin'. Oops! I mean just SAYING.

And hey, I thought you "unsubscribed" to this thread. After all, you made a grand pronouncement of YOUR intention to do so.



Regarding the question of Proviron's usefulness or lack thereof, it definitely serves one purpose: it's a great addition for the obsessive-compulsive who feel the need to take something. For everybody else...





Varma TR, Patel RH. The effect of mesterolone on sperm count, on serum follicle stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone, plasma testosterone and outcome in idiopathic oligospermic men. Int J Gynaecol Obstet 1988;26(1):121-8. ScienceDirect.com - International Journal of Gynecology & Obstetrics - The effect of mesterolone on sperm count, on serum follicle stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone, plasma testosterone and outcome in idiopathic oligospermic men

Two hundred fifty subfertile men with idiopathic oligospermia (count less than 20 million/ml) were treated with mesterolone (100-150 mg/day) for 12 months. Seminal analysis were assayed 3 times and serum follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) luteinizing hormone (LH) and plasma testosterone were assayed once before treatment and repeated at 3, 6, 9 and 12 months after the initiation of treatment. One hundred ten patients (44%) had normal serum FSH, LH and plasma testosterone, 85 patients (34%) had low serum FSH, LH and low plasma testosterone. One hundred seventy-five patients (70%) had moderate oligospermia (count 5 to less than 20 million/ml) and 75 patients (30%) had severe oligospermia (count less than 5 million/ml). Seventy-five moderately oligospermic patients showed significant improvement in the sperm density, total sperm count and motility following mesterolone therapy whereas only 12% showed improvement in the severe oligospermic group. Mesterolone had no depressing effect on low or normal serum FSH and LH levels but had depressing effect on 25% if the levels were elevated. There was no significant adverse effect on testosterone levels or on liver function. One hundred fifteen (46%) pregnancies resulted following the treatment, 9 of 115 (7.8%) aborted and 2 (1.7%) had ectopic pregnancy. Mesterolone was found to be more useful in patients with a sperm count ranging between 5 and 20 million/ml. Those with severe oligospermia (count less than 5 million) do not seem to benefit from this therapy.


Szollosi J, Falkay GY, Sas M. Mesterolone treatment of patients with pathospermia. Int Urol Nephrol 1978;10(3):251-6.

The response to Mesterolone, in doses of 25 mg/day, was examined in 42 pathospermic patients. Treatment lasted for 100 days. The pronounced response to the Mesterolone treatment was observed in hypozoo- and oligozoospermia with low initial fructose content in the ejaculate. Fructose content attained its normal range after the treatment. During the therapeutic period 11 wives became pregnant. The authors conclude that Mesterolone does not influence plasma FSH, LH and testosterone levels, it has only peripheral effects.


Jackaman FR, Ansell ID, Ghanadian R, McLoughlin PV, Lewis JG, Chisholm GD. The hormone response to a synthetic androgen (mesterolone) in oligospermia. Clin Endocrinol (Oxf) 1977;6(5):339-45.

Forty subfertile men with oligospermia were treated with a synthetic androgen (Mesterolone). The effect of the drug was evaluated by measuring serum testosterone, luteinizing hormone (LH), follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) and analysing the semen before and after treatment. The results demonstrated that in twenty-three patients treated for 6-9 months there was a significant decrease in serum testosterone (P less than 0.01); the means +/- SEM before and after treatment were 17.05 +/- 0.95 and 14.7 +/- 0.95 (nmol/l serum) respectively. There was a pronounced increase in serum LH (P less than 0.01), the values being 2.73 +/- 0.26 and 3.61 +/- 0.3 (u/l) respectively. However, no significant difference was found in serum FSH before and after treatment. The sperm concentration showed a variable response to treatment. In twenty-one patients there was either no change or worsening in the sperm concentration, whereas in nineteen patients an improvement was observed. The analysis of variance of sperm concentration and motility for the periods before and after treatment, for all the patients, showed no significant difference in the sperm concentration F1.145 = 2.82 (P=0.1).


Nikkanen V. Plasma cholesterol, triglycerides, FSH and testosterone levels of normolipemic male patients with decreased fertility treated with mesterolone. Andrologia 1979;11(1):33-6.

There were no changes in plasma cholesterol, triglycerides, FSH and testosterone levels of 24 healthy men treated with mesterolone for infertility during period of 6 months. The patients were normolipemic and the daily doses were 75 mg. No side-effects were noticed. Mesterolone seems to have too selective or too low androgenic effect with the doses used in order to have an influence on the lipid metabolism of men.


Kovary PM, Lenau H, Niermann H, Zierden E, Wagner H. Testosterone levels and gonadotrophins in Klinefelter's patients treated with injections of mesterolone cipionate. Arch Dermatol Res 1977;258(3):289-94.

Hormone levels were measured in patients with Klinefelter's syndrome after treatment with 100 mg mesterolone cipionate (twice monthly). There was no difference in plasma testosterone and FSH levels in treated and untreated patients. The basal and maximum LH levels were lower, but remained raised. The urinary excretion of testosterone as measured by liquid gas chromatography was higher in treated patients after treatment was discontinued. From these results it is concluded that in spite of reported decreases of plasma testosterone during therapy with mesterolone cipionate this drug does not lead to severe impairment of the endogenous hormone production after discontinuing treatment.


Nikkanen V. The effects of mesterolone on the male accessory sex organs, on spermiogram, plasma testosterone and FSH. Andrologia 1978;10(4):299-306.

42 subfertile male ambulatory patients were treated with Proviron. Moderate oligoastheno-teratozoospermia was the most common injury in sperm analysis. The treatment did not change the amount of plasma FSH, testosterone or prostate phosphatase. Acid phosphatase and citric acid of semen showed an increased activity with mesterolone treatment. The amount of fructose decreased, it is probably due to the increased number of spermatozoa, which need more fructose for their metabolism respectively. The sperm of 93% of the patients improved or stayed unchanged. 30% of the patients developed normozoospermia. 6 pregnancies were achieved.


Spitz IM, Margalioth EJ, Yeger Y, Livshin Y, Zylber-Haran E, Shilo S. Effect of non aromatizable androgens on LHRH and TRH responses in primary testicular failure. Horm Metab Res 1984;16(9):492-7.

We have assessed the gonadotropin, TSH and PRL responses to the non aromatizable androgens, mesterolone and fluoxymestrone, in 27 patients with primary testicular failure. All patients were given a bolus of LHRH (100 micrograms) and TRH (200 micrograms) at zero time. Nine subjects received a further bolus of TRH at 30 mins. The latter were then given mesterolone 150 mg daily for 6 weeks. The remaining subjects received fluoxymesterone 5 mg daily for 4 weeks and 10 mg daily for 2 weeks. On the last day of the androgen administration, the subjects were re-challenged with LHRH and TRH according to the identical protocol. When compared to controls, the patients had normal circulating levels of testosterone, estradiol, PRL and thyroid hormones. However, basal LH, FSH and TSH levels, as well as gonadotropin responses to LHRH and TSH and PRL responses to TRH, were increased. Mesterolone administration produced no changes in steroids, thyroid hormones, gonadotropins nor PRL. There was, however, a reduction in the integrated and incremental TSH secretion after TRH. Fluoxymesterone administration was accompanied by a reduction in thyroid binding globulin (with associated decreases in T3 and increases in T3 resin uptake). The free T4 index was unaltered, which implies that thyroid function was unchanged. In addition, during fluoxymesterone administration, there was a reduction in testosterone, gonadotropins and LH response to LHRH. Basal TSH did not vary, but there was a reduction in the peak and integrated TSH response to TRH. PRL levels were unaltered during fluoxymesterone treatment.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS)


Shittu LAJ, Shittu RK, Osinubi AA, Tayo AA. Mesterolone (Proviron) induces low sperm quality with reduction in sex hormone profile in adult male Sprague Dawley rats testis. Scientific Research and Essays. 2009;4(4):320-7. http://www.academicjournals.org/sre/pdf/pdf2009/Apr/Shittu et al..pdf

Anabolic-androgenic steroid compounds are one of the most widely abused drugs by athletes and muscle builders with the goal of improving performance/muscle mass. However, increasing concern has been expressed because these compounds not only offer unappreciable benefits to infertile and subfertile males, but also might have deleterious effects on both human and animal physiology including sperm quality. In addition, there is the conflicting outcome of AAS usage in the clinical settings with its attendant reduced spermatogenesis and hypopituitarism in patient management. Hence, we aim to evaluate the effects of mestorolone, an anabolic-androgenic steroid, on the histomorphometry of seminiferous tubules with serum hormonal and seminal analyses in adult male Sprague-Dawley rat.

Twenty adult male Sprague dawley rats divided into two groups of 10 each. The treated group received 0.06 mg/g body weight/ day of mesterolone (proviron) by oral gavage for six weeks while the control group received equal volume of 0.9% normal saline per day. SPSS analysis of data generated with P< 0.05 considered statistically significant. The result showed significant (P< 0.05) body weight gain in all the animals. However, both the raw testicular weight and relative testicular weight per 100 g bwt was significantly (P< 0.05) higher in control than treated. The mean sperm count significantly decreased by 28% (P< 0.05) and the motility reduced significantly by 56% (P< 0.05) in the treated compared to control. In addition, both FSH (follicle stimulating hormone) and T (testosterone) of the treated were significantly lowered by 73% (P< 0.05) and 63% (P< 0.05) respectively compared to the control. The use of mesterolone is with caution and short intermittent therapy is desirous for better semen quality and improved overall fertility.
 
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RAIDEN

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I just want know who can kick a brother down with some proviron, think im gonna try it now. Just add it into my TRT and lets see what happens :)
 
C

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I just want know who can kick a brother down with some proviron, think im gonna try it now. Just add it into my TRT and lets see what happens :)


Give it a shot. It certainly won't hurt. I know there are guys like IM that swear by it but it's worth mentioning that there were people in the placebo arm of the Rogain trials that grew hair. Never underestimate the power of the placebo effect. :D



I'm not sure I understand this. Aromatization is the process by which the aromatase enzyme operates on testosterone to convert it to estrogen. Does DHT affect the aromatase enzyme? How does it prevent aromatization?



The purported mechanism by which Proviron inhibits estrogenic effects is by weakly binding to both the estrogen receptor and the aromatase enzyme. The inhibitory effect is small compared to AI's and for that reason Proviron shouldn't be used when AI's are available.
 
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dr jim

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What "holes" do you see in that story? Please tell.

It's quite simple really. In order for an AAS to be effective, the dose or it's bio-equivalency must exceed endogenous production. Heck I suspect mates could also use ONE MILLIGRAM of Tren a day without effecting TT, LH or FSH levels BUT what anabolic results would be evident at that dosage.

Ergo I will also add IF Proviron is beneficial the dosing range typically used by most BB is far to low to achieve the effects being touted as real. What dosage am I suggesting 75 mg TID, no less!

However my point of emphasis is WHY! Why is this drug being utilized when so many other AAS have proven efficacy at "standard dosing" such as Var at 20mg/day.

Honestly folks I really don't know why some have become enamored with Proviron and continue to cling to it's revered status within bro lore.

Respects
Jim

PS all was well CBS until you posted that "rat study", :)






Probably a good idea.





Oh no! Not the dreaded spelling flame! You know, when YOUR argument consists of nothing more that YOUR say so, resorting to the use of ad hominems probably isn't the most effective tactic to use. Anybody smart enough to correct spelling errors "should know that." Just sayin'. Oops! I mean just SAYING.

And hey, I thought you "unsubscribed" to this thread. After all, you made a grand pronouncement of YOUR intention to do so.



Regarding the question of Proviron's usefulness or lack thereof, it definitely serves one purpose: it's a great addition for the obsessive-compulsive who feel the need to take something. For everybody else...





Varma TR, Patel RH. The effect of mesterolone on sperm count, on serum follicle stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone, plasma testosterone and outcome in idiopathic oligospermic men. Int J Gynaecol Obstet 1988;26(1):121-8. ScienceDirect.com - International Journal of Gynecology & Obstetrics - The effect of mesterolone on sperm count, on serum follicle stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone, plasma testosterone and outcome in idiopathic oligospermic men

Two hundred fifty subfertile men with idiopathic oligospermia (count less than 20 million/ml) were treated with mesterolone (100-150 mg/day) for 12 months. Seminal analysis were assayed 3 times and serum follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) luteinizing hormone (LH) and plasma testosterone were assayed once before treatment and repeated at 3, 6, 9 and 12 months after the initiation of treatment. One hundred ten patients (44%) had normal serum FSH, LH and plasma testosterone, 85 patients (34%) had low serum FSH, LH and low plasma testosterone. One hundred seventy-five patients (70%) had moderate oligospermia (count 5 to less than 20 million/ml) and 75 patients (30%) had severe oligospermia (count less than 5 million/ml). Seventy-five moderately oligospermic patients showed significant improvement in the sperm density, total sperm count and motility following mesterolone therapy whereas only 12% showed improvement in the severe oligospermic group. Mesterolone had no depressing effect on low or normal serum FSH and LH levels but had depressing effect on 25% if the levels were elevated. There was no significant adverse effect on testosterone levels or on liver function. One hundred fifteen (46%) pregnancies resulted following the treatment, 9 of 115 (7.8%) aborted and 2 (1.7%) had ectopic pregnancy. Mesterolone was found to be more useful in patients with a sperm count ranging between 5 and 20 million/ml. Those with severe oligospermia (count less than 5 million) do not seem to benefit from this therapy.


Szollosi J, Falkay GY, Sas M. Mesterolone treatment of patients with pathospermia. Int Urol Nephrol 1978;10(3):251-6.

The response to Mesterolone, in doses of 25 mg/day, was examined in 42 pathospermic patients. Treatment lasted for 100 days. The pronounced response to the Mesterolone treatment was observed in hypozoo- and oligozoospermia with low initial fructose content in the ejaculate. Fructose content attained its normal range after the treatment. During the therapeutic period 11 wives became pregnant. The authors conclude that Mesterolone does not influence plasma FSH, LH and testosterone levels, it has only peripheral effects.


Jackaman FR, Ansell ID, Ghanadian R, McLoughlin PV, Lewis JG, Chisholm GD. The hormone response to a synthetic androgen (mesterolone) in oligospermia. Clin Endocrinol (Oxf) 1977;6(5):339-45.

Forty subfertile men with oligospermia were treated with a synthetic androgen (Mesterolone). The effect of the drug was evaluated by measuring serum testosterone, luteinizing hormone (LH), follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) and analysing the semen before and after treatment. The results demonstrated that in twenty-three patients treated for 6-9 months there was a significant decrease in serum testosterone (P less than 0.01); the means +/- SEM before and after treatment were 17.05 +/- 0.95 and 14.7 +/- 0.95 (nmol/l serum) respectively. There was a pronounced increase in serum LH (P less than 0.01), the values being 2.73 +/- 0.26 and 3.61 +/- 0.3 (u/l) respectively. However, no significant difference was found in serum FSH before and after treatment. The sperm concentration showed a variable response to treatment. In twenty-one patients there was either no change or worsening in the sperm concentration, whereas in nineteen patients an improvement was observed. The analysis of variance of sperm concentration and motility for the periods before and after treatment, for all the patients, showed no significant difference in the sperm concentration F1.145 = 2.82 (P=0.1).


Nikkanen V. Plasma cholesterol, triglycerides, FSH and testosterone levels of normolipemic male patients with decreased fertility treated with mesterolone. Andrologia 1979;11(1):33-6.

There were no changes in plasma cholesterol, triglycerides, FSH and testosterone levels of 24 healthy men treated with mesterolone for infertility during period of 6 months. The patients were normolipemic and the daily doses were 75 mg. No side-effects were noticed. Mesterolone seems to have too selective or too low androgenic effect with the doses used in order to have an influence on the lipid metabolism of men.


Kovary PM, Lenau H, Niermann H, Zierden E, Wagner H. Testosterone levels and gonadotrophins in Klinefelter's patients treated with injections of mesterolone cipionate. Arch Dermatol Res 1977;258(3):289-94.

Hormone levels were measured in patients with Klinefelter's syndrome after treatment with 100 mg mesterolone cipionate (twice monthly). There was no difference in plasma testosterone and FSH levels in treated and untreated patients. The basal and maximum LH levels were lower, but remained raised. The urinary excretion of testosterone as measured by liquid gas chromatography was higher in treated patients after treatment was discontinued. From these results it is concluded that in spite of reported decreases of plasma testosterone during therapy with mesterolone cipionate this drug does not lead to severe impairment of the endogenous hormone production after discontinuing treatment.


Nikkanen V. The effects of mesterolone on the male accessory sex organs, on spermiogram, plasma testosterone and FSH. Andrologia 1978;10(4):299-306.

42 subfertile male ambulatory patients were treated with Proviron. Moderate oligoastheno-teratozoospermia was the most common injury in sperm analysis. The treatment did not change the amount of plasma FSH, testosterone or prostate phosphatase. Acid phosphatase and citric acid of semen showed an increased activity with mesterolone treatment. The amount of fructose decreased, it is probably due to the increased number of spermatozoa, which need more fructose for their metabolism respectively. The sperm of 93% of the patients improved or stayed unchanged. 30% of the patients developed normozoospermia. 6 pregnancies were achieved.


Spitz IM, Margalioth EJ, Yeger Y, Livshin Y, Zylber-Haran E, Shilo S. Effect of non aromatizable androgens on LHRH and TRH responses in primary testicular failure. Horm Metab Res 1984;16(9):492-7.

We have assessed the gonadotropin, TSH and PRL responses to the non aromatizable androgens, mesterolone and fluoxymestrone, in 27 patients with primary testicular failure. All patients were given a bolus of LHRH (100 micrograms) and TRH (200 micrograms) at zero time. Nine subjects received a further bolus of TRH at 30 mins. The latter were then given mesterolone 150 mg daily for 6 weeks. The remaining subjects received fluoxymesterone 5 mg daily for 4 weeks and 10 mg daily for 2 weeks. On the last day of the androgen administration, the subjects were re-challenged with LHRH and TRH according to the identical protocol. When compared to controls, the patients had normal circulating levels of testosterone, estradiol, PRL and thyroid hormones. However, basal LH, FSH and TSH levels, as well as gonadotropin responses to LHRH and TSH and PRL responses to TRH, were increased. Mesterolone administration produced no changes in steroids, thyroid hormones, gonadotropins nor PRL. There was, however, a reduction in the integrated and incremental TSH secretion after TRH. Fluoxymesterone administration was accompanied by a reduction in thyroid binding globulin (with associated decreases in T3 and increases in T3 resin uptake). The free T4 index was unaltered, which implies that thyroid function was unchanged. In addition, during fluoxymesterone administration, there was a reduction in testosterone, gonadotropins and LH response to LHRH. Basal TSH did not vary, but there was a reduction in the peak and integrated TSH response to TRH. PRL levels were unaltered during fluoxymesterone treatment.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS)


Shittu LAJ, Shittu RK, Osinubi AA, Tayo AA. Mesterolone (Proviron) induces low sperm quality with reduction in sex hormone profile in adult male Sprague Dawley rats testis. Scientific Research and Essays. 2009;4(4):320-7. http://www.academicjournals.org/sre/pdf/pdf2009/Apr/Shittu et al..pdf

Anabolic-androgenic steroid compounds are one of the most widely abused drugs by athletes and muscle builders with the goal of improving performance/muscle mass. However, increasing concern has been expressed because these compounds not only offer unappreciable benefits to infertile and subfertile males, but also might have deleterious effects on both human and animal physiology including sperm quality. In addition, there is the conflicting outcome of AAS usage in the clinical settings with its attendant reduced spermatogenesis and hypopituitarism in patient management. Hence, we aim to evaluate the effects of mestorolone, an anabolic-androgenic steroid, on the histomorphometry of seminiferous tubules with serum hormonal and seminal analyses in adult male Sprague-Dawley rat.

Twenty adult male Sprague dawley rats divided into two groups of 10 each. The treated group received 0.06 mg/g body weight/ day of mesterolone (proviron) by oral gavage for six weeks while the control group received equal volume of 0.9% normal saline per day. SPSS analysis of data generated with P< 0.05 considered statistically significant. The result showed significant (P< 0.05) body weight gain in all the animals. However, both the raw testicular weight and relative testicular weight per 100 g bwt was significantly (P< 0.05) higher in control than treated. The mean sperm count significantly decreased by 28% (P< 0.05) and the motility reduced significantly by 56% (P< 0.05) in the treated compared to control. In addition, both FSH (follicle stimulating hormone) and T (testosterone) of the treated were significantly lowered by 73% (P< 0.05) and 63% (P< 0.05) respectively compared to the control. The use of mesterolone is with caution and short intermittent therapy is desirous for better semen quality and improved overall fertility.
 
dr jim

dr jim

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I just want know who can kick a brother down with some proviron, think im gonna try it now. Just add it into my TRT and lets see what happens :)

Oh come on now Raiden be bold and adventurous, DC that T-C and substitute it with Proviron!
Just kidding you WON'T be happy with those results! :)

Regs
jim
 
dr jim

dr jim

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Well, rat studies are usually given more credence on these sites than human studies. Go figure....

An unfortunate but often true observation mate!
Jim
 
ItalianMuscle

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Give it a shot. It certainly won't hurt. I know there are guys like IM that swear by it but it's worth mentioning that there were people in the placebo arm of the Rogain trials that grew hair. Never underestimate the power of the placebo effect. :D







The purported mechanism by which Proviron inhibits estrogenic effects is by weakly binding to both the estrogen receptor and the aromatase enzyme. The inhibitory effect is small compared to AI's and for that reason Proviron shouldn't be used when AI's are available.

My non stop hard-on all day, and muscular vascularity/hardness says otherwise. I dont give a **** about yours or jims opinion and your copy/pastes.. You two have a room here at TID? If not, I can make it happen.. Enjoy the rest of your day! Im done in this thread, and any thread you two bozos post in.. I have better things to do..
 
Fanofiron

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I don't care to read the pissing match. No 2 ppl respond the same to the same compound.

I love proviron. It dramatically enhances my mood on cycle, libido and gives my physique a better dryer look. I've also used it during pct as it's not suppressive per info above as well as other pub med articles I've read. My post cycle labs 1 month after pct was over where solid. IMHO proviron should be used as a synergy agent vs alone for the sake of BB

I will say this. These 2 girls I work with wanted to have a 3 way. The shy one wanted roofies and her friend wanted to be so horny she couldn't control herself. I told them in not a weirdo and don't have roofies but I did have proviron. They didn't feel anything off 25mg a day so they even tried 50mg a day. They still didn't notice that. They said it was bunk. I was on it for months and months at 50ed so I told them ok ill will bump to 150 Ed so I can feel its effects again. It recomped me dramatically!

I attribute it not working great for them as they are females vs males. Shbg obviously doesn't have as profound effects in females as it doesn't males when lowered.

I lost interest in the 3 way as 2 far hotter Hornier women wanted my attention.
 
graniteman

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I don't care to read the pissing match. No 2 ppl respond the same to the same compound.

I love proviron. It dramatically enhances my mood on cycle, libido and gives my physique a better dryer look. I've also used it during pct as it's not suppressive per info above as well as other pub med articles I've read. My post cycle labs 1 month after pct was over where solid. IMHO proviron should be used as a synergy agent vs alone for the sake of BB

I will say this. These 2 girls I work with wanted to have a 3 way. The shy one wanted roofies and her friend wanted to be so horny she couldn't control herself. I told them in not a weirdo and don't have roofies but I did have proviron. They didn't feel anything off 25mg a day so they even tried 50mg a day. They still didn't notice that. They said it was bunk. I was on it for months and months at 50ed so I told them ok ill will bump to 150 Ed so I can feel its effects again. It recomped me dramatically!

I attribute it not working great for them as they are females vs males. Shbg obviously doesn't have as profound effects in females as it doesn't males when lowered.

I lost interest in the 3 way as 2 far hotter Hornier women wanted my attention.

Ok..You have my attention, not with the Proviron though..:D Pics or it didn't happen!
 
Fanofiron

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Ok..You have my attention, not with the Proviron though..:D Pics or it didn't happen!

Lol ok what do u like more? Jacked gingers or hot as **** brunettes? They crazy thing is jacked ginger was on tons of gear. I thought she was a horny as they get....on topic she wanted me to try proviron and since she was taking test I was very curious what she would feel vs the natty girls. However I told her no way cause she was so ****ing horny already.....and across the damn country. I knew she would be lowering her standards and banging anyone. I couldn't do that! Lol.
The brunette was even Hornier!! Shockingly not on any gear..... She was so much ****ing fun! I knew she was was a keeper when she sent me a pic of herself on all fours and I said man Id love to eat your ass! She replied yes please!! Too bad I work so much. Right girl but horrible timing as I'm married lol. I still stop by her work for lunch as she's pretty as they come. We just don't **** and sext anymore as she's seeing someone now.

I can dig up some pics if u want buddy.
 
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