Gyno or Lower Chest Fat

[shortz]

My lower pecs hang on to fat until I get really low too. You're still lingering a bit above 12%. Once you hit sub 12, you'll see a difference.

 

[Fanofiron]

Just trying to help ya hear but noticed the acne on the shoulders. Have u tried b-5? Try 3-5 grams daily split into say 1000-2000mg taken a few times a day. Has helped me wonders! I used to get that same shit. Check it out.

Take another pic like I said with one arm over your head. If there's a lump similar to what there appears to be around the Areola.....then it's both gyno and fat.

Also u mention u are keeping your e2 in check. With what? Have u had labs done mid cycle to evaluate your e2 levels and to see of your AI is legit as well as taking enough?
Just cause u are using an AI doesn't mean it's legit and also doesn't mean u are using enough! Some guys don't respond well to aromasin and require a ton of it vs they can use 1mg adex daily and be stellar !

 

[hoodlum]

Hate to disagree with the boys but I lived with someone for awhile, had something looks very similar but a bit bigger. Turned out to be gyno, he's still done nothing about it though doesn't bother him. Just get it checked out mate only real certain tip I've got, I'm no specialist

 

[muscle1970]

Fanofiron - I took pic and I do feel a soft lump. Im using arimidex and caber as well. I will try b5. I also had a bud tell me b6 will help with prolactin. Shortz makes a good point. If I get below 12% this might not be noticible. Only one way to find out..

 

[muscle1970]

Pic with arm up

 

[GiantSlayer]

Your hormones can dictate where you store fat. Do you think women's breasts are 100% gland? They store fat there because their hormones say so. Yes, reduce your bodyfat. Try some nolva. It won't kill you.

 

[muscle1970]

I will have some nolva in my possession this week. I ordered yesterday after I read your recommendation Giantslayer. Thank you again..

 

[Fanofiron]

Fanofiron - I took pic and I do feel a soft lump. Im using arimidex and caber as well. I will try b5. I also had a bud tell me b6 will help with prolactin. Shortz makes a good point. If I get below 12% this might not be noticible. Only one way to find out..

Yes I've also heard that with prolactin and b6. Thanks for reminding me lol.

Ok with the arm up I see no signs of gyno which is good but since u say u have a soft lump hit that nolva 20-40mg Ed. If your libido and mood also goes way up then your estro was high. You either have bunk adex or caber or are not taking enough of it if mood and libido goes way up Once u start the nolva.
Or u can get labs for $59 off the books at privatemdlabs.com but the prolactin panel costs more. I can give u a 15% coupon for them if u like. Once u use em they spam u coupons lol.
I also banged a girl that was once a stripper and freaked out lol. They also do std testing lmao. I don't have aids and **** she was so hot lol.

 

[ketsugo]

You look pretty lean to be Holdin there but hard to tell. I know most guys now don't use tamoxifen since we got all these powerful compounds now- but 20 years ago it was considered " site specific " meaning it attacked the gyno itself . Old school bros used to try 80 mg for 3-4 days then 10-20 day thereafter. . Myself having never needed I do always have on hand

 

[dr jim]

Hey Guys,
Need you in your input, I attached two pics. Lower chest fat or gyno. My diet is clean and I do have two cheat days. Have not been doing cardio and im on tren e (250 weekly and test e (150 weekly). If I were to guess maube 15% bf. Was freaking out thinking it was gyno.
Thanks.

No offense but are you kidding????. (No offense but I know many patients who would be happy with your degree of gynecomastia, and I believe most on TID would contend your looking pretty damn good mate!)

Nonetheless only YOU can answer that "Gyneco" question. HOW?

First; Understand GYNECOMASTIA is a CLINICAL diagnosis, supported with sonography (pre and post are optimal) and to some extent lab studies. The diagnosis is NOT established based on hormonal studies period!!!!

Second; What did your baseline pics look like?
Yep while I suspect you probably did have SOME periareolar breast tissue from the outset, it was simply not noticeable UNTIL after you lost all the surrounding chest wall fat.

Third; Are you symptomatic?
By that I mean is the area indurated (harder than the surrounding region), or tender to palpation?

Fourth; Are you predisposed?
More specifically are you using AAS which are aromatizable, such as TT, Nandrolone, D-bol, A-drol etc

Fifth; Is it reversible?
That is, have you tried SERM therapy which at the very least should ameliorate your symptoms!

Sixth: Is your E-2 elevated above baseline (many patients with gynecomastia have normal or near normal E-2 levels)

Seventh: Do you have nipple discharge?
Seriously, unless you also have GALACTORRHEA an "elevated prolactin level from 19-Nor AAS" means ZIPPO, because progesterogenic AAS do NOT increase progesterone OR prolactin, period.

Regards
jim

 

[Jasthace]

Seriously, unless you also have GALACTORRHEA an "elevated prolactin level from 19-Nor AAS" means ZIPPO, because progesterogenic AAS do NOT increase progesterone OR prolactin, period.

Regards
jim

Its basic general knowledge in bodybuilding for those of us that have use a lot steroids. That the mixing of progestins can cause gyno { hard lumps under nipples} and milky discharge { when nipple is squeezed}

....Progesterone-related gynecomastia: The issue of gynecomastia, Estrogen, and Progesterone are all extremely complex processes that are not 100% fully understood. The truth of the matter is that Progestins are, in vitro and in theory, supposed to inhibit the production of Prolactin at the pituitary and the brain. However, there is much anecdotal evidence and reports from users that Trenbolone as well as Nandrolone indeed do trigger Prolactin release from the brain. Because Trenbolone itself is a Progestin, it also acts on the Progestin receptors on breast tissue. Prolactin receptors exist on breast tissue as well, and so do Estrogen receptors. This combination of Progesterone, Prolactin, and Estrogen can create a large issue of gynecomastia in a Trenbolone user. Prolactin-related gynecomastia from 19-nor compounds is typically seen in the form of lactating nipples alongside breast tissue formation. One of several (or more than one) methods can be used to combat this issue. The first is through the use of a Prolactin-antagonist drug (also known as Dopamine agonists) such as Cabergoline or Pramipexole. These drugs act on Dopamine receptors in the body, which results in decreased Prolactin levels. The second method is to simply avoid the aromatization of other compounds into Estrogen. For example, if Testosterone is used alongside Trenbolone (and it always should be), it is advisable to keep Testosterone at a low enough dose (TRT doses) so that it will not convert into Estrogen, or if larger doses of Testosterone are to be used then an aromatase inhibitor can be run alongside it. Controlling Estrogen levels should also control Prolactin secretion from the pituitary; however it is important to note there are some users that will not respond in such a manner and will still have Prolactin increases in a low-Estrogen environment. What also occurs is that Trenbolone (or Nandrolone) act upon Progesterone receptors in breast tissue and it is through this process that Estrogen receptor sites become far more sensitive to Estrogen (and vice versa – increased Estrogen can create Prolactin receptors that possess increased sensitivity). As a result, even the most minimal levels of Estrogen or Prolactin can trigger the formation of gynecomastia or lactation. Thus, it is always advised that one run a Prolactin antagonist (such as Cabergoline or Pramipexole) or at the very least keep it on hand while using Trenbolone or any 19-nor compound.....

The only product I know that can reverse existing gyno is letrozole

 

[CBS]

Its basic general knowledge in bodybuilding for those of us that have use a lot steroids. That the mixing of progestins can cause gyno { hard lumps under nipples} and milky discharge { when nipple is squeezed}

It's basic common knowledge in the bro lore. The scientific literature is a different story. The 19-nor/PRL connection is by far the most persistent myth in the BB community that I've seen. It simply will not go away.

....Progesterone-related gynecomastia: The issue of gynecomastia, Estrogen, and Progesterone are all extremely complex processes that are not 100% fully understood. The truth of the matter is that Progestins are, in vitro and in theory, supposed to inhibit the production of Prolactin at the pituitary and the brain. However, there is much anecdotal evidence and reports from users that Trenbolone as well as Nandrolone indeed do trigger Prolactin release from the brain. Because Trenbolone itself is a Progestin, it also acts on the Progestin receptors on breast tissue. Prolactin receptors exist on breast tissue as well, and so do Estrogen receptors. This combination of Progesterone, Prolactin, and Estrogen can create a large issue of gynecomastia in a Trenbolone user. Prolactin-related gynecomastia from 19-nor compounds is typically seen in the form of lactating nipples alongside breast tissue formation. One of several (or more than one) methods can be used to combat this issue. The first is through the use of a Prolactin-antagonist drug (also known as Dopamine agonists) such as Cabergoline or Pramipexole. These drugs act on Dopamine receptors in the body, which results in decreased Prolactin levels. The second method is to simply avoid the aromatization of other compounds into Estrogen. For example, if Testosterone is used alongside Trenbolone (and it always should be), it is advisable to keep Testosterone at a low enough dose (TRT doses) so that it will not convert into Estrogen, or if larger doses of Testosterone are to be used then an aromatase inhibitor can be run alongside it. Controlling Estrogen levels should also control Prolactin secretion from the pituitary; however it is important to note there are some users that will not respond in such a manner and will still have Prolactin increases in a low-Estrogen environment. What also occurs is that Trenbolone (or Nandrolone) act upon Progesterone receptors in breast tissue and it is through this process that Estrogen receptor sites become far more sensitive to Estrogen (and vice versa – increased Estrogen can create Prolactin receptors that possess increased sensitivity). As a result, even the most minimal levels of Estrogen or Prolactin can trigger the formation of gynecomastia or lactation. Thus, it is always advised that one run a Prolactin antagonist (such as Cabergoline or Pramipexole) or at the very least keep it on hand while using Trenbolone or any 19-nor compound.....

Where's the attribution for that quotation? I assume the quote comes from an article on this site? If so, that article was discussed in depth and it was agreed that it requires revision.
http://www.theironden.com/forum/threads/19269-Cycle-recommendation?p=308253&viewfull=1#post308253

The only product I know that can reverse existing gyno is letrozole

The medical treatment of choice for gynecomastia is and always has been SERM.

Regards

CBS