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Shrtz: "You get all of the BCAAs you will ever need if you're meeting your protein requirements daily."
Ironically, my response "This (many don't get enough protein) is exactly why it i usefull." It is very difficult to meet daily protein requirements.
The response is "just prep all your meals the night before, and you will get all you need." Back in my early days of training, and through my competative years, I prepped this ^ way. But you know what? After 38 years of training, this ^ got old. Not just the prep and tupperware, but choking down chicken breasts.
What I do, is find some relatively healthy restaurant food, and eat that once a day. I always pay more for extra meat). My wife cooks dinner for me. I may get one other solid food protein in e a day, and the rest is protein powder. Breakfast is Casein (50 grams of protein) cereal fruit and 1-2% milk. That is also what I eat before going to bed. Pre-workout meal is chicken/beef/fish, 2 hours before training. One hour, fifteen minutes of lifting, followed by 25 minutes HIT on the bags. This is a long and brutal workout, and it depletes my amino pool. I take 70 grams of whey protein after training, but that is to late. The intra aminos keep me in a positive balance until I get that whey (and fruit/simples) recovery drink.
You might say "just drink protein powder while training." The problem is, too much powdered protein gives me diarrhea. I have to alternate between solid protein, and powdered protein. Aminos cause no such issues. I need to take in at least 250 grams of protein a day (preferably 280 if training hard),
and I need every resource I can get to do so.
Dan Duchain once said "the best bodybuilders find what works, and stick with it," and this^is what works or me.
Ironically, my response "This (many don't get enough protein) is exactly why it i usefull." It is very difficult to meet daily protein requirements.
The response is "just prep all your meals the night before, and you will get all you need." Back in my early days of training, and through my competative years, I prepped this ^ way. But you know what? After 38 years of training, this ^ got old. Not just the prep and tupperware, but choking down chicken breasts.
What I do, is find some relatively healthy restaurant food, and eat that once a day. I always pay more for extra meat). My wife cooks dinner for me. I may get one other solid food protein in e a day, and the rest is protein powder. Breakfast is Casein (50 grams of protein) cereal fruit and 1-2% milk. That is also what I eat before going to bed. Pre-workout meal is chicken/beef/fish, 2 hours before training. One hour, fifteen minutes of lifting, followed by 25 minutes HIT on the bags. This is a long and brutal workout, and it depletes my amino pool. I take 70 grams of whey protein after training, but that is to late. The intra aminos keep me in a positive balance until I get that whey (and fruit/simples) recovery drink.
You might say "just drink protein powder while training." The problem is, too much powdered protein gives me diarrhea. I have to alternate between solid protein, and powdered protein. Aminos cause no such issues. I need to take in at least 250 grams of protein a day (preferably 280 if training hard),
and I need every resource I can get to do so.
Dan Duchain once said "the best bodybuilders find what works, and stick with it," and this^is what works or me.
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Anybody? Nobody? Fine, I'll do it.
You said you're eating 5500 cals a day. IF that's true, you can't help but get your daily protein requirements. Even if you ate no meat and got all your cals from sweet potatoes, rice, nuts, etc, you'd still probably hit 250g. So one of two things is happening. You are either lying about how many cals you eat per day and are actually eating like a little girl, or you are easily getting your protein requirements but wanted to argue and be right so you just claimed you are not.
I ACTUALLY eat over 5,000 cals every day, and I don't even have to try to get 300+g of protein, all from whole food. No whey shakes, no aminos, no casein. Just real food.
You said you're eating 5500 cals a day. IF that's true, you can't help but get your daily protein requirements. Even if you ate no meat and got all your cals from sweet potatoes, rice, nuts, etc, you'd still probably hit 250g. So one of two things is happening. You are either lying about how many cals you eat per day and are actually eating like a little girl, or you are easily getting your protein requirements but wanted to argue and be right so you just claimed you are not.
I ACTUALLY eat over 5,000 cals every day, and I don't even have to try to get 300+g of protein, all from whole food. No whey shakes, no aminos, no casein. Just real food.
Rottenrogue
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This^^^
I really hate this argument with a lot of topics. "Well, I have to eat clean to lose weight, so that might work for you, but not for me...".
Without some kind of medical condition or crazy rare genetic difference between two people, there should be no reason why most major things should not work for everyone.
Dr_jitsu
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I generally don't count vegetarian protein at all. If I had nuts in conjunction with protein I might add 10 grams to my daily protein intake. The amino acid profile is everything, and vegetarian protein does not build muscle for me. I don't count Sweet potatoes or rice towards my daily protein intake. I coached 3 national level competitors this last year, currently am prepping 1 IFBB pro, and 6-7 others who competed locally, but in good NPC shows. None of them count vegetarian protein as major contributors to their daily protein intake, and several were eating 400 plus grams a day. That is a LOT of anecdotal evidence. This fact leads me to Diesel's claim:
I'm going to say this as nicely as possible, I'm not even going to waste my time responding to that. Anecdotal evidence is opinion.
I think you don't understand how science works. Scientific theories ALWAYS start from anecdotal evidence generating a testable hypothesis. The problem you run into when you say you will only accept peer reviewed published information is the fact that these studies NEVER are done on hard training bodybuilders using gear. Why? Because no bb I know of is going to volunteer for study the effects of him breaking the law. Anecdotal evidence is all we have. I can tell you that Flex Wheeler eats Burger King until 3 weeks out from the Olympia. I can tell you Dorian Yates' pre contest steroid program (it starts with 3 Sustenon and 1 bottle of var a day). I know the drug program that most top pros use. I can tell you that the Germans start diuretics a month out, and think the Americans are pussies.
Deisel, you are a nice guy and also smart. However, look at your physique, then look at mine. Don't get me wrong. You have a very pretty body (no homo, lol) and I bet women flock to you. However, you simply do not have a lot of muscle. My legs are my best bodypart, btw, not my back. And I am 51. Science focuses on empirically verifiable results. My cycles are conservative, I use no tren, just test and mild anabolics like Primo, NPP, and var. I train a body part once every 6-7 days (as do 4 out of 5 pros) every 5 if in contest prep mode. I eat veggies, but don't count them towards my protein total. I use a lot of protein powder. I have below average genetics, yet a local NPC judge thinks I would place top 3 in the Grand Masters Nationals.
I apologize for bragging and name dropping, but I know how the big dogs get big. You will not find that info in any published study.
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