Winstrol and/or anavar: Stacked or individually?

[Dr_jitsu]

Greetings fellow forumites. New to this board, but not new to the game. Was an NPC competitive bodybuilder 20 years ago (did 13 shows, won 2). Back then there were no raws coming from China, my gear source would smuggle gear back from Mexico. We had lots of HG test, primo tabs, Halo etc. I never had access to var, and only used winstrol the last 3 weeks of my last contest prep. So while a long time gear vet, I am still a newb when it comes down to var and winnie. 50 years old, 5'9.5 and 224 lbs at 12% body fat. Goal is to be 224 w/ 8-9% bodyfat by mid June.

I am currently running a short term lean mass bulker, test 500 mgs a week, and deca, 400. Have been running 60-70 mgs of var on my lifting days (4 days a week, the other 3 days I do cardio).

Weight is up 8 lbs. After 5-6 weeks I am transitioning to a cutter, which will be sus/t p, 500 mgs a week and masteron (e, IE long lasting ester) 500 per week. Will keep deca at 200 mgs. I will not do anything major w/ my diet, just cut out the ice cream and other cheat food I am eating now. Cardio will be upped to 6 days a week.

So, my question is, should I run my orals separately? I have been on the var for 2 weeks. I am fairly sure that the best way to go here is to run them individually (w/ maybe a 2 week break) but am open to thoughtful advice. I know my total mgs are probably high for someone my age, but I get regular blood work.

 

[Jasthace]

I don't like winny at all it makes me cramp. I really like anavar tho.. but it needs to be run high dose I believe.Its not 17aa so the body liver filters the stuff out effectively and not as much will get through into the system I believe.. I would run a 17aa oral at the dose you are running your var. I have run var at 100mg a day and not seen much result but when I doubled the dose to 200mg ed the effect was pleasing.. I have had blood work done on week 10 but I'm waiting to hear the results from my doctor.. it can't be bad,because the surgery didn't contact me about my bloods.. the Doctor said they would if there were any concerns..

 

[Littleguy]

I don't like winny at all it makes me cramp. I really like anavar tho.. but it needs to be run high dose I believe.Its not 17aa so the body liver filters the stuff out effectively and not as much will get through into the system I believe.. I would run a 17aa oral at the dose you are running your var. I have run var at 100mg a day and not seen much result but when I doubled the dose to 200mg ed the effect was pleasing.. I have had blood work done on week 10 but I'm waiting to hear the results from my doctor.. it can't be bad,because the surgery didn't contact me about my bloods.. the Doctor said they would if there were any concerns..

You must have had shit var if you have to run it more than 50mg with a little test to see results then either the var is shit or the training is off brotha.
Run the var continuously I have ran it for well over 6 months @50mg pd many times and had no probs, I would stack the 2 but not run the Winny more than 6 weeks at 50mg per day as well.
BUT I believe the results come from training NOT mega dosing and I am old so take it for what it is worth but I have been training longer than many on here have been alive, sounds like you are an old fella yourself based upon your reference to where you used to get all your gear..lol

Although after re-reading your post if you are going to be running mast I would say the winny will be unnecessary.

 

[Dr_jitsu]

Thanks for the thoughtful replies, gentlemen. Most bb's (about 240 lbs) I know run 100mgs a day for max benefit. And yes, if you need 200 a day, you might be getting under dosed var, or winny passed off as var (raw var is 10 times more expensive).

Dorian Yates used a whole bottle of var every day (an IFBB pro informed me) and 3 sus a day (5 grams a week).

It funny, but there are some guys over on the MESO forum who think that a test run on HIV patients, and these patients started getting reduced results after 60 mgs, applies to bodybuilders, lol. Yes, a 160 lb HIV patient may very well be likely to get diminished results after 60 mgs, but every big bodybuilder I know swears by 100 mgs.

 

[MAYO]

Jitsu, I say ramp it an see what you get. Start at 50mg for 3-4 days then 75 and so on. Aside from the question of accurately dosed drugs one also has to consider individual tolerance. Ultimately whatever works for you is the 'right' dose. When you get among advanced bodybuilders, as Im sure you've been, you see the wide range of dosing. I've seen guys run 30iu GH a day, 120iu Slin a day, 1g test a day and a lot of other crazy shit... But their physiques validated the method. Show me one lab study on a subject 5'10 300lbs @ 10%bf, they don't exist.

 

[Jasthace]

I am old so take it for what it is worth but I have been training longer than many on here have been alive.

I'd like to know exactly how old you are and how long you have been training.. why don't you dazzle us?

 

[Bigwhite]

I'd like to know exactly how old you are and how long you have been training.. why don't you dazzle us?

Well, he has to wait till the 1st of the month to buy his gear and cialis so social security is a clue....

 

[Littleguy]

I am 14 and started training last week and I am typing this from my parents basement while in my underoos and eating frozen pizza
So there you have it, if you were looking for a pissing match you can be the big WINNER, I hope it feels good.

Sorry for the disruption of your thread OP.

 

[Dr_jitsu]

Jitsu, I say ramp it an see what you get. Start at 50mg for 3-4 days then 75 and so on. Aside from the question of accurately dosed drugs one also has to consider individual tolerance. Ultimately whatever works for you is the 'right' dose. When you get among advanced bodybuilders, as Im sure you've been, you see the wide range of dosing. I've seen guys run 30iu GH a day, 120iu Slin a day, 1g test a day and a lot of other crazy shit... But their physiques validated the method. Show me one lab study on a subject 5'10 300lbs @ 10%bf, they don't exist.

Mayo: I could not have said it better myself. I think I will stay at 60mgs of var, run it by itself for another 4 weeks (have been running it for 2 weeks already...at 75 mgs). Why, ? Because it is so expensive, lol. Then I will switch to winney, 50 mgs a day. These amounts are conservative, but I will be doing 7-8 weeks of orals on this cycle so it is better to be safe than sorry. Also, I am running 2-3 different injectables. Right now, test e, 500 mgs a week, deca 400 and I added some tren e 250 mgs. I am dropping the tren, going w/ a test prop/sus 500, dropping deca to 200, and adding Masteron, 4-600 a week. I will soon be upping my cardio to 6 days a week.

 

[Dr_jitsu]

I'd like to know exactly how old you are and how long you have been training.. why don't you dazzle us?

I have been training for 36 years.

 

[Jasthace]

I am 14 and started training last week and I am typing this from my parents basement while in my underoos and eating frozen pizza
So there you have it, if you were looking for a pissing match you can be the big WINNER, I hope it feels good.

Sorry for the disruption of your thread OP.

So your big beating drum has turned into a little triangle with a boy poking out his tongue... how long you been training for?

 

[Bigwhite]

So your big beating drum has turned into a little triangle with a boy poking out his tongue... how long you been training for?

:food-snacking:........