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DungeonDweller

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I'm prescribed 300 mg Test Cyp every two weeks, but I do 200 mg a week.
 
sityslicker1

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QUOTE="SAD, post: 562263, member: 887"]
This is correct as I understand it.
Do NOT ask me the science behind the following:
I have a friend of a friend who is at the very top of his strength sport. The very top. And he has been pinning everything he runs, in small doses, ED. And they aren’t short ester necessarily. Test E, tren E, and test suspension. Uses an insulin syringe and pins subq, ED, the exact same dose of each. I can’t think of a good reason for this besides keeping total volume of oil down, but he is a longtime AAS user and swears this has brought his strength and physique to new levels.
Thoughts?
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There is a huge cult at promuscle doing around 10mg Ed test e or cyp. Supposely guys who used to.need AI for weekly trt dose are now saying with this protocol it's not needed. I understand it keeps hormones more stable, but not sure the science of no AI....more.stable bloods, more tests utilized = less aromatization?
 
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Some graphics of ester pharmacokinetics. A couple from Victor Black's IG posts. The longer the ester, the longer to get to steady state. The metabolites E2 and DHT would follow similar blood conc time courses. However, the enzymes can be saturated so at higher doses the T/DHT or T/E2 will start to favor T, but probably long after DHT or E2 sides become an issue.
 

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bigrobbie

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This is correct as I understand it.

Do NOT ask me the science behind the following:
I have a friend of a friend who is at the very top of his strength sport. The very top. And he has been pinning everything he runs, in small doses, ED. And they aren’t short ester necessarily. Test E, tren E, and test suspension. Uses an insulin syringe and pins subq, ED, the exact same dose of each. I can’t think of a good reason for this besides keeping total volume of oil down, but he is a longtime AAS user and swears this has brought his strength and physique to new levels.

Thoughts?
Seems to defeat the purpose of esters, daily lower dosage pinning I would think short esters or no ester... but I'm no endocrinologist so I can't give any science to back either theory up either way.
 
Snachito1

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This is correct as I understand it.

Do NOT ask me the science behind the following:
I have a friend of a friend who is at the very top of his strength sport. The very top. And he has been pinning everything he runs, in small doses, ED. And they aren’t short ester necessarily. Test E, tren E, and test suspension. Uses an insulin syringe and pins subq, ED, the exact same dose of each. I can’t think of a good reason for this besides keeping total volume of oil down, but he is a longtime AAS user and swears this has brought his strength and physique to new levels.

Thoughts?
If I'm not mistaken ED shots lower SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin) so more frequent shots would unbind more testosterone, having a higher free unbound testosterone that will do it's magic.
 
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This is correct as I understand it.

Do NOT ask me the science behind the following:
I have a friend of a friend who is at the very top of his strength sport. The very top. And he has been pinning everything he runs, in small doses, ED. And they aren’t short ester necessarily. Test E, tren E, and test suspension. Uses an insulin syringe and pins subq, ED, the exact same dose of each. I can’t think of a good reason for this besides keeping total volume of oil down, but he is a longtime AAS user and swears this has brought his strength and physique to new levels.

Thoughts?
Sounds like the cycles Author L Rea espouses.

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Wilson6

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QUOTE="SAD, post: 562263, member: 887"]
This is correct as I understand it.
Do NOT ask me the science behind the following:
I have a friend of a friend who is at the very top of his strength sport. The very top. And he has been pinning everything he runs, in small doses, ED. And they aren’t short ester necessarily. Test E, tren E, and test suspension. Uses an insulin syringe and pins subq, ED, the exact same dose of each. I can’t think of a good reason for this besides keeping total volume of oil down, but he is a longtime AAS user and swears this has brought his strength and physique to new levels.
Thoughts?
There is a huge cult at promuscle doing around 10mg Ed test e or cyp. Supposely guys who used to.need AI for weekly trt dose are now saying with this protocol it's not needed. I understand it keeps hormones more stable, but not sure the science of no AI....more.stable bloods, more tests utilized = less aromatization?
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If anyone wants to see how complex this really is, check out https://www.researchgate.net/publication/8129381_Plasma_terminal_half-life.

The micro dosing approach is least likely to elevate E2. Remember when you spike T, you spike everything else and if you're E2 sensitive that will flip the switch for sides. Check out the graphic I posted TP vs TE, dosing every 1.5 days. With TP T goes from 5 to 20 between dosing, with TE once it hits steady state about 5 weeks in, the blood levels are between 8 - 10 (very stable), and the metabolites will follow that pattern, so if you don't spike T, E2 won't spike and you won't need an AI. Probably helps with erythrocytosis as well. No one has done a study looking at this protocol to my knowledge, it would be worth looking at. However doctors will say, "why bother, no one want to inject themselves daily."
 
daman1

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I do 250mg/week Cyp and 500mcg of HCG 2x/week.
 
kid666

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57 yrs old. Been running TRT last 20.... T Cyp 200mg/wk... occasionally add in var throughout the year @ 50mg/day... Use to throw in tren and var along with the test but honestly last 5 years or so strictly TRT... just recently started adding 500IU HCG twice a week.. also run 10mg cialis daily as well.
 
parttimer

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How do you pin test sub q, I'd think you'd end up with a nasty lump?

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bigrobbie

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57 yrs old. Been running TRT last 20.... T Cyp 200mg/wk... occasionally add in var throughout the year @ 50mg/day... Use to throw in tren and var along with the test but honestly last 5 years or so strictly TRT... just recently started adding 500IU HCG twice a week.. also run 10mg cialis daily as well.
I just added HCG at same dosage. How long you been on yours? Curious how well it'll work at that dose as I've been atrophied so freakin long.
 
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