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bigrobbie

bigrobbie

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How often are you guys on TRT pinning, and what Test ester and what mg?
Are you guys also running hcg or anything else ie: DHEA, any AI's or peptides or GH?
What else is in your protocol as far as supplements, vitamins or pharmaceuticals like Cialis or Viagra....
Super curious what y'all's therapies are looking like.
 
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Bigrobbie, I'm 52 about to be 53 in a month, I use 150mg a week of Test Cyp no AI, but do use 5-10mg Cialis ED . I change Ester every 3 months as well and I pin 3x a week. So far this has worked for me, plus blood work has been surprisingly good . I'm not trying to heavy bulk anymore so I have a more streamlined look, than before. I try to stay around the 10% BF when in the warm months and no higher than max 13% cold months.
 
Littleguy

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250-300m mg of test per week and a few times a year of a lengthy run of var @50mg per day, 2 iu's of GH daily IM no AI
Cialis every 2-3 days for fun and that is about it overall.
I do of course fiddle around with other things now and then like a couple hundred mgs of tren e here and there but the above is my self prescribed bread and butter.
 
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Bigrobbie, I'm 52 about to be 53 in a month, I use 150mg a week of Test Cyp no AI, but do use 5-10mg Cialis ED . I change Ester every 3 months as well and I pin 3x a week. So far this has worked for me, plus blood work has been surprisingly good . I'm not trying to heavy bulk anymore so I have a more streamlined look, than before. I try to stay around the 10% BF when in the warm months and no higher than max 13% cold months.
I've started pinning 100mg mast enanthate with 150mg test E every 7 days. Just as a precaution against aromatase. I need to get bloods done badly but no insurance and I'm the only income coming into our household so $ is tight. Saving up for more Test and a hormone panel...but the difference in how I feel since starting TRT again is amazing
 
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Bigrobbie, I'm 52 about to be 53 in a month, I use 150mg a week of Test Cyp no AI, but do use 5-10mg Cialis ED . I change Ester every 3 months as well and I pin 3x a week. So far this has worked for me, plus blood work has been surprisingly good . I'm not trying to heavy bulk anymore so I have a more streamlined look, than before. I try to stay around the 10% BF when in the warm months and no higher than max 13% cold months.
Snachito whats the rationale behind changing esters every few months?
 
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Snachito whats the rationale behind changing esters every few months?
I don't have any scientific data or studies or anything to back my theory up, but I figured if the body get's used to or attenuation happens with drug dosages....could this attenuation also happen with the esters even though it's the same drug test base compound? I figured I would change esters every 3 months to see if even though I'm using Test if changing the esters of the test would make a difference...... and I really do think it has as far as feeling better, libido and physical changes. I use Test prop and Test Enan, in the spring/summer in the later fall/winter I use Test cyp and then switch to Test Deca. In the end like I said I don't have anything to back it up, just trying to to see if I can throw off homeostasis.
 
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Was doing 200mg cyp per week but coming off a blast and doing 250mg Test U every-other week ATM. Rarely use an AI. On blast it's 500mg test, 400mg NPP, and maybe 50mg drol per day.
 
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54yr old timer here. Cruise at 150-250 cyp every 5 days. 2.5-3.3iu gh daily. Sometimes add MK677 at bedtime.
Those dose variables are in phases — the lower end and higher end get changed up depending on periods of training and diet goals.
Some cialis a few times a week. No AI, no need.
 
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I don't have any scientific data or studies or anything to back my theory up, but I figured if the body get's used to or attenuation happens with drug dosages....could this attenuation also happen with the esters even though it's the same drug test base compound? I figured I would change esters every 3 months to see if even though I'm using Test if changing the esters of the test would make a difference...... and I really do think it has as far as feeling better, libido and physical changes. I use Test prop and Test Enan, in the spring/summer in the later fall/winter I use Test cyp and then switch to Test Deca. In the end like I said I don't have anything to back it up, just trying to to see if I can throw off homeostasis.
The way I understand it is, the esterified form is inert so to speak until acted upon by blood esterases, then the base compound is released and can interact with AR or other receptors, SHBG, etc. A number of variables can influence the amount of base compound in the blood but it comes down to the action of esterase and length of the side chain. All else equal (volume of depot in the muscle, conc mg/ml, oil carrier, site injection, etc.) A short ester will give a much higher peak blood conc along with metabolites vs a longer lasting ester, and a much short duration of action. Thoughts anyone else?
 
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The way I understand it is, the esterified form is inert so to speak until acted upon by blood esterases, then the base compound is released and can interact with AR or other receptors, SHBG, etc. A number of variables can influence the amount of base compound in the blood but it comes down to the action of esterase and length of the side chain. All else equal (volume of depot in the muscle, conc mg/ml, oil carrier, site injection, etc.) A short ester will give a much higher peak blood conc along with metabolites vs a longer lasting ester, and a much short duration of action. Thoughts anyone else?

This is correct as I understand it.

Do NOT ask me the science behind the following:
I have a friend of a friend who is at the very top of his strength sport. The very top. And he has been pinning everything he runs, in small doses, ED. And they aren’t short ester necessarily. Test E, tren E, and test suspension. Uses an insulin syringe and pins subq, ED, the exact same dose of each. I can’t think of a good reason for this besides keeping total volume of oil down, but he is a longtime AAS user and swears this has brought his strength and physique to new levels.

Thoughts?
 
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