These Before and After Cycle Claims

[IronInsanity]

^^^ Problem again is the use of the term "body weight." I don't question that one can and does gain 25-30# on a cycle. My contention is that much of it is water weight and fat.

 

[macgyver]

It would be interesting to look up the studies and see what methods were used to determine mass gain, and if they were only measuring lean mass gains....

 

[SHINE]

Cool web page with Lyle Mcdonald, smart guy.

 

[IronInsanity]

Cool web page with Lyle Mcdonald, smart guy.

He is... and so is Alan Aragon who wrote the article. After going back and looking at it I remembered reading it about a year or two ago. His findings are about on par with what I have come to believe.

 

[gunslinger]

My experience has been close to AJ's. I got good gains first cycle and second was pretty decent also but the gains have slowed over the years to a crawl. If I actually hold on to 2-3 solid pounds per cycle now I'm happy. That = about 5 solid pounds per year.

My first cycle ever, I ran 10 weeks Test E at 500mg per week with a 4 week dbol kickstart at 25mg. I started with lightly visible abs and about 14% BF. After the cycle I was 12% BF and 17 pounds heavier. Thats fat loss while gaining muscle so I'm pretty sure most of it was solid. Waist went from 34" to 32".

 

[Glycomann]

I have been completely off for over three months, and I'm sitting at 261lbs. A year and a half ago, before my first cycle, I was at 218lbs and roughly the same bodyfat. I've run two-and-a-half cycles since then and three months after my half cycle (4 weeker) I'm up 43lbs LBM give or take a couple pounds. Is that a fair comparison?

You are a beast.

 

[ozzy69]

on average i gain about 8-10lbs per cycle of muscle, the most ive ever gained on cycle was 40 lbs in a 12 week blast, i was running GH/slin/test/deca/dbol--that cycle got me from 220 to 260 but it was a doughy 260 back in my 20's now im closer to 40 then 30 and about 250lbs much happier and wiser with my cycles

 

[KBD]

My arms grew 2 inches on my first cycle.. 16-18, i went from 165lbs to 190. I agree alot is water and bloat though. Depends on diet.

 

[IronInsanity]

My arms grew 2 inches on my first cycle.. 16-18, i went from 165lbs to 190. I agree alot is water and bloat though. Depends on diet.

My arms grew 3 inches the first 6 months of training without any gear. So 2" on cycle when you're only at 16" is quite doable.

 

[KBD]

My arms grew 3 inches the first 6 months of training without any gear. So 2" on cycle when you're only at 16" is quite doable.

My arms also did this.. Lol, from 13 to 16 within a year, and then it just kinda halted for a while, then i started adding mass on my back and such. But yeah 2 inches in 8 weeks. Was awesome.

 

[IronInsanity]

My arms also did this.. Lol, from 13 to 16 within a year, and then it just kinda halted for a while, then i started adding mass on my back and such. But yeah 2 inches in 8 weeks. Was awesome.

For sure. It'd be great to have arms that grow like yours.

 

[KBD]

For sure. It'd be great to have arms that grow like yours.

Id rather have a huge chest, my arms grow without much effort.