Syringe Boiling

[beefnewton]

Anyone ever thought about the integrity of whatever you're drawing from a vial if when you pull back too fast, it creates a low enough pressure that the contents boil briefly at room temp? Particularly for hGH, hCG, etc.? Obviously go slow, but I've always wondered. Seems easiest to do with hGH, which is unfortunately the most costly.

 

[FlyingDragon]

No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last nite....

 

[genetic freak]

Never worried about it. I also pulled slow with GH and insulin anyways to eliminate as much air as possible with the insulin pin.

 

[beefnewton]

No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last nite....

Raw does look awfully tired and spent today. Coincidence?

 

[Lizard King]

I always pull out fast, don't want more kids.

Oh wait, this is about syringes, carry on....

 

[JackD]

I always pull out fast, don't want more kids.

Oh wait, this is about syringes, carry on....

Same thing

 

[trentracks]

Very informative thread really caught me off guard

 

[beefnewton]

Could have been informative but most felt a need to contribute less than zero.

 

[FlyingDragon]

Raw does look awfully tired and spent today. Coincidence?

Elevator wasnt working, so he had to carry his suitcase up 5 stories. WE both were shocked we saw you at the breakfast buffet

 

[myosin]

Anyone ever thought about the integrity of whatever you're drawing from a vial if when you pull back too fast, it creates a low enough pressure that the contents boil briefly at room temp? Particularly for hGH, hCG, etc.? Obviously go slow, but I've always wondered. Seems easiest to do with hGH, which is unfortunately the most costly.

ah... like a vacuum in space causing blood to boil rather than freeze... actually a cool question... I treat any and all peptides like sensitive little bitches.

 

[Thrawn]

Really good question since vacuum lowers bp. How many ATMs does our vacuum create? What is the bp at specific ATMs of product? But since we are not changing temp just the BP I don't think it matters.

 

[beefnewton]

Well

ah... like a vacuum in space causing blood to boil rather than freeze... actually a cool question... I treat any and all peptides like sensitive little bitches.

Really good question since vacuum lowers bp. How many ATMs does our vacuum create? What is the bp at specific ATMs of product? But since we are not changing temp just the BP I don't think it matters.

I'm not as technical, so that's why I stay out of the chemical conversion subforum. However, hGH in particular is commonly cautioned against any physical agitation. Unfortunately, I've found it to be the most prone to the issue in spite of best efforts to prevent it. For example, I can start drawing, and it just doesn't want to flow, so I pull back a bit more. Then all of a sudden, while I've created enough negative pressure to finally pull it out of the vial, it's also enough to lower the boiling point to room temperature, which then causes a quick, localized boiling. If you're only doing a few units, your entire dose could have been briefly subjected to that pretty extreme and direct physical agitation... certainly more than I'd think shaking a vial of GH would introduce. The fragility of hGH is commonly mentioned. Not sure how other things like hCG or healing peptides would fare. I think MT2 is pretty much bulletproof; I don't even refrigerate it.