Problems with Cypionate Homebrew

Discussion in 'Chemical Conversion Discussion' started by richardj, Jul 26, 2011.

  1. richardj

    richardj New Member

    Jul 26, 2011
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    2%BA
    20% BB
    Grapeseed oil
    Powder

    I have tried every way possible to mix the above. Heating the oil Ba/Bb then mixing in powder slowly. All is well under the heat, but remove from the fire, it cools, and the powder hardens and almost becomes gel like. Back to the heat, again all is liquid. Remove and back to gel.

    WTF am I doing wrong?? I am wasting a WHOLE lot of powder.

    Thanks for the reply.

    Rich
     
  2. Get Some

    Get Some VIP Member

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    You need to tell us the powder to solution ratios.... you could be dosing it too high to sit in concentration by mistake.
     
  3. FlyingDragon

    FlyingDragon VIP Member

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    add in more oil, your concentration is too high. You may have to settle at 200mg per ml. Throwing in more solvents is not going to help much. But u will not waste the powder, just keep adding a little more oil each time.
     
  4. FlyingDragon

    FlyingDragon VIP Member

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    Also heat the powder first until it reaches its melting point, then add your liquids. This then allows the solvents to do less work as the powder is already in a liquid format. Good luck!
     
  5. richardj

    richardj New Member

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    OK. for 20ml of 250g/ml I am using
    4 ml bb
    .4ml ba
    11.6ml oil
    5g cyp
     
  6. Get Some

    Get Some VIP Member

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    ok, so that's 16 ml and 5,000mg of powder... 5,000 divided by 16 gives you 312.5 mg/ml. Of course, I'm not accounting for the room that the powder takes up and am not sure how to fit that into the calculation. But doing simple math I'd say you need 20ml worth of oil, BB, and BA for 5g powder to come up with a 250mg/ml solution.
     
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  7. FlyingDragon

    FlyingDragon VIP Member

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    Let the powder melt, then add in your liquids. If it crashes add another 5ml of oil, this will put things at 200mg per ml, will not crash at that dosage.

     
  8. richardj

    richardj New Member

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    Thank you gents. Will give that a go. Melt powder, add solvents then oil. If crash-add more oil.

    A pleasure....
     
  9. RonnyT

    RonnyT New Member

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    The difference Verestering.jpg from both estrifications is only one carbon. But the properties are much different. On the left Test-E at 500 mg/ml on the right Test-C at 500 mg/ml gelled out the bigger vial 500 mg/ml. Test-E will solve without BB and co-solvent and melts at bodytemperature (also turns brownish after melting in a warm room) Cypionate needs 15% Benzyl Benzoate at higher doses and stabilizes best with 20% Ethyl Oleate as a co-solvent.


    Bigger vials is a 50-50 mix from both estrifications
     
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  10. FlyingDragon

    FlyingDragon VIP Member

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    GS-, u need to give a volume value for the powder, which is roughly .75ml per gram. Add that in and your close to 20ml!


     
  11. HisAngriness

    HisAngriness Fancypants VIP

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    solid info here. cant wait to try my hand at homebrew one day. you guys are the SHIT!
     
  12. BEASTZ6

    BEASTZ6 Member

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    Yep. Melt powder first. Add BA and BB. Stir until dissolved. Then add your carrier oil to your desired volume. Stir until clear and free from swirls. Filter with .22 filter. Then enjoy.
     

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