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For those who still dont see the police state being set up...............

Mr. Wiggly

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Cops Ready for War

Nestled amid plains so flat the locals joke you can watch your dog run away for miles, Fargo treasures its placid lifestyle, seldom pierced by the mayhem and violence common in other urban communities. North Dakota’s largest city has averaged fewer than two homicides a year since 2005, and there’s not been a single international terrorism prosecution in the last decade.

But that hasn’t stopped authorities in Fargo and its surrounding county from going on an $8 million buying spree to arm police officers with the sort of gear once reserved only for soldiers fighting foreign wars.

Every city squad car is equipped today with a military-style assault rifle, and officers can don Kevlar helmets able to withstand incoming fire from battlefield-grade ammunition. And for that epic confrontation—if it ever occurs—officers can now summon a new $256,643 armored truck, complete with a rotating turret. For now, though, the menacing truck is used mostly for training and appearances at the annual city picnic, where it’s been parked near the children’s bounce house.

“Most people are so fascinated by it, because nothing happens here,” says Carol Archbold, a Fargo resident and criminal justice professor at North Dakota State University. “There’s no terrorism here.”

Like Fargo, thousands of other local police departments nationwide have been amassing stockpiles of military-style equipment in the name of homeland security, aided by more than $34 billion in federal grants since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, a Daily Beast investigation conducted by the Center for Investigative Reporting has found.
Interactive Map: States Spend Billions on Homeland Security

The buying spree has transformed local police departments into small, army-like forces, and put intimidating equipment into the hands of civilian officers. And that is raising questions about whether the strategy has gone too far, creating a culture and capability that jeopardizes public safety and civil rights while creating an expensive false sense of security.

“The argument for up-armoring is always based on the least likely of terrorist scenarios,” says Mark Randol, a former terrorism expert at the Congressional Research Service, the nonpartisan research arm of Congress. “Anyone can get a gun and shoot up stuff. No amount of SWAT equipment can stop that.”

Local police bristle at the suggestion that they’ve become “militarized,” arguing the upgrade in firepower and other equipment is necessary to combat criminals with more lethal capabilities. They point to the 1997 Los Angeles-area bank robbers who pinned police for hours with assault weapons, the gun-wielding student who perpetrated the Virginia Tech massacre in 2007, and the terrorists who waged a bloody rampage in Mumbai, India, that left 164 people dead and 300 wounded in 2008.

The new weaponry and battle gear, they insist, helps save lives in the face of such threats. “I don’t see us as militarizing police; I see us as keeping abreast with society,” former Los Angeles Police chief William Bratton says. “And we are a gun-crazy society.”

Adds Fargo Police Lt. Ross Renner, who commands the regional SWAT team: “It’s foolish to not be cognizant of the threats out there, whether it’s New York, Los Angeles, or Fargo. Our residents have the right to be protected. We don’t have everyday threats here when it comes to terrorism, but we are asked to be prepared.”

The skepticism about the Homeland spending spree is less severe for Washington, D.C., Los Angeles and New York, which are presumed to be likelier targets. But questions persist about whether money was handed out elsewhere with any regard for risk assessment or need. And the gap in accounting for the decade-long spending spree is undeniable. The U.S. Homeland Security Department says it doesn’t closely track what’s been bought with its tax dollars or how the equipment is used. State and local governments don’t maintain uniform records either.

To assess the changes in law enforcement for The Daily Beast, the Center for Investigative Reporting conducted interviews and reviewed grant spending records obtained through open records requests in 41 states. The probe found stockpiles of weaponry and military-style protective equipment worthy of a defense contractor’s sales catalog.

In Montgomery County, Texas, the sheriff’s department owns a $300,000 pilotless surveillance drone, like those used to hunt down al Qaeda terrorists in the remote tribal regions of Pakistan and Afghanistan. In Augusta, Maine, with fewer than 20,000 people and where an officer hasn’t died from gunfire in the line of duty in more than 125 years, police bought eight $1,500 tactical vests. Police in Des Moines, Iowa, bought two $180,000 bomb-disarming robots, while an Arizona sheriff is now the proud owner of a surplus Army tank.

The flood of money opened to local police after 9/11, but slowed slightly in recent years. Still, the Department of Homeland Security awarded more than $2 billion in grants to local police in 2011, and President Obama’s 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act contributed an additional half-billion dollars.

Law enforcement officials say the armored vehicles, assault weapons, and combat uniforms used by their officers provide a public safety benefit beyond their advertised capabilities, creating a sort of “shock and awe” experience they hope will encourage suspects to surrender more quickly.

“The only time I hear the complaint of ‘God, you guys look scary’ is if the incident turns out to be nothing,” says West Hartford, Conn., Police Lt. Jeremy Clark, who organizes an annual SWAT competition.

A grainy YouTube video from one of Clark’s recent competitions shows just how far the police transformation has come, displaying officers in battle fatigues, helmets, and multi-pocketed vests storming a hostile scene. One with a pistol strapped to his hip swings a battering ram into a door. A colleague lobs a flash-bang grenade into a field. Another officer, holding a pistol and wearing a rifle strapped to his back, peeks cautiously inside a bus.

The images unfold to the pulsing, ominous soundtrack of a popular videogame, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. Though resembling soldiers in a far-flung war zone, the stars of this video are Massachusetts State Police troopers.

The number of SWAT teams participating in Clark’s event doubled to 40 between 2004 and 2009 as Homeland’s police funding swelled. The competition provides real-life scenarios for training, and Clark believes it is essential, because he fears many SWAT teams are falling below the 16 hours of minimum monthly training recommended by the National Tactical Officers Association.

“Luck is not for cops. Luck is for drunks and fools,” Clark said, explaining his devotion to training.

One beneficiary of Homeland’s largesse are military contractors, who have found a new market for their wares and sponsor training events like the one Clark oversees in Connecticut or a similar Urban Shield event held in California.

Special ops supplier Blackhawk Industries, founded by a former Navy SEAL, was among several Urban Shield sponsors this year. Other sponsors for such training peddle wares like ThunderSledge breaching tools for smashing open locked or chained doors, Lenco Armored Vehicles bulletproof box trucks, and KDH Defense Systems’s body armor.

“As criminal organizations are increasingly armed with military-style weapons, law enforcement operations require the same level of field-tested and combat-proven protection used by soldiers and Marines in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other high-risk locations,” boasts an Oshkosh Corp. brochure at a recent police seminar, where the company pitched its “tactical protector vehicle.”

The trend shows no sign of abating. The homeland security market for state and local agencies is projected to reach $19.2 billion by 2014, up from an estimated $15.8 billion in fiscal 2009, according to the Homeland Security Research Corp.

The rise of equipment purchases has paralleled an apparent increase in local SWAT teams, but reliable numbers are hard to come by. The National Tactical Officers Association, which provides training and develops SWAT standards, says it currently has about 1,650 team memberships, up from 1,026 in 2000.

Many of America’s newly armed officers are ex-military veterans from the front lines of Iraq and Afghanistan. Charles Ramsey, who was police chief in Washington, D.C., on 9/11, upgraded the weaponry when he moved to Philadelphia in 2008. Today, some 1,500 Philly beat cops are trained to use AR-15 assault rifles.

“We have a lot of people here, like most departments, who are ex-military,” Ramsey says. “Some people are very much into guns and so forth. So it wasn’t hard to find volunteers.”

Some real-life episodes, however, are sparking a debate about whether all that gear also creates a more militarized mind-set for local police that exceeds their mission or risks public safety.

In one case, dozens of officers in combat-style gear raided a youth rave in Utah as a police helicopter buzzed overhead. An online video shows the battle-ready team wearing masks and brandishing rifles as they holler for the music to be shut off and pin partygoers to the ground.

And Arizona tactical officers this year sprayed the home of ex-Marine Jose Guerena with gunfire as he stood in a hallway with a rifle that he did not fire. He was hit 22 times and died. Police had targeted the man’s older brother in a narcotics-trafficking probe, but nothing illegal was found in the younger Guerena’s home, and no related arrests had been made months after the raid.

In Maryland, officials finally began collecting data on tactical raids after police in 2008 burst into the home of a local mayor and killed his two dogs in a case in which the mayor’s home was used as a dropoff for drug deal. The mayor’s family had nothing to do with criminal activity.

Such episodes and the sheer magnitude of the expenditures over the last decade raise legitimate questions about whether taxpayers have gotten their money’s worth and whether police might have assumed more might and capability than is necessary for civilian forces.

“With local law enforcement, their mission is to solve crimes after they’ve happened, and to ensure that people’s constitutional rights are protected in the process,” says Jesselyn McCurdy, senior legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union. “The military obviously has a mission where they are fighting an enemy. When you use military tactics in the context of law enforcement, the missions don’t match, and that’s when you see trouble with the overmilitarization of police.”

The upgrading of local police nonetheless continues. Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio now claims to operate his own air armada of private pilots—dubbed Operation Desert Sky—to monitor illegal border crossings, and he recently added a full-size surplus Army tank. New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly boasted this fall he had a secret capability to shoot down an airliner if one threatened the city again. And the city of Ogden, Utah, is launching a 54-foot, remote-controlled “crime-fighting blimp” with a powerful surveillance camera.

Back in Fargo, nearby corn and soybean farmer Tim Kozojed supports the local police but questions whether the Homeland grants have been spent wisely. ”I’m very reluctant to get anxious about a terrorist attack in North Dakota,” Kozojed, 31, said. “Why would they bother?”
 
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FYI I was a cop for 7 years and was ready for war every day without any fancy equipment. Be glad someone is taking the time to outfit their officers so they are ready and have adequate protection. If you want to be worried about something, may I suggest the disappearing middle class, and banks getting away with murder?
 
Growinboy

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I also have a decked out ar, carry a pistol almost everywhere, and still have my body armor from iraq... I cant imagine Im the only one... So if someone like me flips out and attacks innocents, Id be pissed if the local law DIDNT end that threat quickly... Im not so concerned about armed cops, theyve always been that way, they just have better shit now... Im concerned with shit like the National Defense Spending Bill, which seems to allow our rights to continue to be further stripped away...
 
Mr. Wiggly

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FYI I was a cop for 7 years and was ready for war every day without any fancy equipment. Be glad someone is taking the time to outfit their officers so they are ready and have adequate protection. If you want to be worried about something, may I suggest the disappearing middle class, and banks getting away with murder?

Umm, I am very much so worried about the middle class and the banksters getting away with murder. Which is exactly why I am concerned about them militarizing "our" police so they can use them to against the PEOPLE when WE have finally had enough. Thats the whole point of this post. Since when do police need "tanks" and "drones"? Are you kidding me? They are having a ball manipulating the police in this country. Look at New York, Chicago, Boston, New Orleans. They have created an "us against them" environment in these cities and its getting ugly. They hire nothing but a bunch of knuckle headed thugs for cops and give them a bunch weapons they dont need and if you dont believe it spend some time on youtube. Its absolutely appalling whats going on in this country.
 
Mr. Wiggly

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Im concerned with shit like the National Defense Spending Bill, which seems to allow our rights to continue to be further stripped away...

Right, well see, im my eyes thats why they are setting up a police state because they ARE committing criminal acts on a daily basis. The BATTLE GEAR on the police is so they can squash any opposition to their tyranny (aka American citizens). If you read that article carefully it lists only 3 of many instances where S.W.A.T. teams MURDER innocent civilians all because they are a bunch of over amped thugs jacked on the "deadly doses" they stole from you. If folks are so worried about the poor little police, watch youtube.... Maybe they are not so poor after all. And hey, there are some good ones out there, depending on where you are at, no doubt. Funny how police didnt need tanks before the government gave us 911. So, whos going to the Super bowl?
 
PillarofBalance

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I'm as concerned as you Wiggles...

The level of armament is getting out of control. They keep banning weapons while buying up larger ones for themselves. This shit isn't for terrorism. We fight terrorism with intelligence, not with .50 cal brownings... This is strictly for suppressing the coming insurrection.

I'm not even a conspiracy theorist kinda guy, but even I see it happening. The government keeps pushing and pushing.

My stock is well oiled.
 
Tiny

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I think it's important for the police to be well equipped to do their job if the situation arose, however, I think most of those funds would have been better off spent as wages for the police departments, especially in crime ridden communities.

My friends store was robbed at gun point a little while ago, it took the police over 20 minutes to arrive after the silent alarm was pulled. Robberies happen all the time in that area, perhaps additional patrol would be a deterant or at least not give the robbers a 20 minute head start on the escape.

I know we all have our apprehensions about LE, but they do put their lives on the line everyday to protect the masses. I guess we have to take the good with the bad...
 
gunslinger

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I'm as concerned as you Wiggles...

The level of armament is getting out of control. They keep banning weapons while buying up larger ones for themselves. This shit isn't for terrorism. We fight terrorism with intelligence, not with .50 cal brownings... This is strictly for suppressing the coming insurrection.

I'm not even a conspiracy theorist kinda guy, but even I see it happening. The government keeps pushing and pushing.

My stock is well oiled.


I was a cop for years as well. SWAT officer. And I fully agree with you.
 
fixxer

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I don't see why people are getting so bent out of shape about it. If a cops start shooting people down, people are going to rise up and shoot them down. There are more people in the population with guns than there are cops with guns. Are you all forgetting that cops are people too? People are talking about cops like they are some kind of robot with no conscience. Most aren't going to just gun people down. There are bigger things to worry about than cops getting upgrades in weaponry.
 
Rancor418

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I understand that most cops are good but being from New Orleans area I understand how many bad ones are out there.

When you have a tank you dont need to fire a lot of shots before the general public falls in line. That can be both good and bad if you ask me. We want people to obey the law but at the same time when they come in an force you to turn your guns in like they did here after the storm the flip side is not good at all.
 
Mr. Wiggly

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Ask the officers in North Hollywood what it felt like not to have the firepower that many civilians have. I'd like my police force to be able to deal with any situation that occurs in order to save me and my families lives. Im not too concerned with them taking over my neighborhood, lol.

High Incident Bandits - North Hollywood Bank Shootout - YouTube

As far as that one goes, and of course its always the one incident that gives the police the excuse to arm up, and rightfully so. BUT, I do believe they should have an AR in the trunk just in case. But I dont think they need to be wearing them in the cities like they are on patrol in Iraq. Its totally unnecessary, unless you really believe that Al-C-I-A-ta is coming to over run our streets. Lol........... Thats what they would like you to believe. Its all about intimidation and its completely un-American.
 
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