Wether you agree or not, there is a price to pay for the game we play. Some will pay a bigger price than others. Big cycle, little cycle, abuse or whatever, nobody really knows untill it is time to pay the piper. For some to think low dose long term use is not harmful is not only ignorant but fukking stupid.
Kets, you might think all is well, feeling fine, lipids ok and the whole 9 yards, but when is the last time any one had a angiogram? (sp) the heart is the one thing we must be on top of if we are to dabble with AAS. Yes it is the 800lb gorilla or monkey in the room nobody really wants to talk about but must be addressed sooner or later. It is what it is.
and YES... GH will increase the growth of cancerous cells exponentially...
You don't take offense because I'm old and senile lol see you can't handle it .Whats your point in all of this Kets? you agree yet you disagree??? You said "Done with respect to compounds will extend your life"... then you say "Abuse anything and you die"... pretty similar to what I said... My point isnt that steroids will kill when done properly... the WILL KILL YOU when abused... Too many of these young kids think there are no draw backs to steroid use... THERE ARE... WHEN ITS ABUSED!!!! that is my point... I dont take offense to your ramblings because your old and senile and I respect you ... but we are saying the same thing... your just in a bad mood...
I have to wonder if some of this is not related to dosages people run these days. (first off, I am not judging anyone. I am just stating an observation).
It seems like everyone starts test at 750-1000mg and 1.5 g/ week is commonplace. Same with other compounds. "Back in the day" it was not like this. Going back to the greats of the 70's, by all accounts even the elite top BB's were not running these kind of dosages. Now it seems people all want to get huge overnight and it seems the answer is higher dose cycles.
In studies like this, they show that dosages up to 600mg/week had no ill effects on healthy males. Blood markers were not impacted negatively.
Study link:
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/281/6/E1172
I am over 40 and I see lots of young guys using WAY WAY too much stuff in my opinion. They are not even close to scrubbing their natural potential and they are still doing 1g cycles and adding orals...etc. I think too many people jump on too early and rely too much on it. They dont know how to eat right either. I think that doses can be kept a lot lower if people want to put the time and work in. I am guessing this would help greatly with health issues as well.
Again, only my opinion...and no hate for guys that want to push the limits. I just think you should save 'pushing the limit' for when it is needed. If some kid has an avg build and avg strength at best, he does not belong running such high cycles. Now sure, if a guy is an international elite ranked powerlifter....sure, or a top level bodybuilder....I get it. Not just some avg guy looking to be buff at best.
I just want to put on the table that these high dosages are somewhat of a new thing. These people are not old enough yet to really see how it has damaged them. What I'm seeing is some old timers dropping off. Men in their 40s and 50s who lived by the same lower dose ideals. You would have to believe that all of these older bodybuilders died because they "Took too much." Well, define "too much." The answer is "just enough to kill you." Who knows how much that is?