Little boy #1 is taught by his coaches that winning is the only thing that matters. He learns discipline and gains the ability to intensely focus on his goals, without much regard for the feelings of others.I believe free choice is in play, as we grow up we have the ability to understand or at least reasonably think of the consequences or rewards of actions which is a learned behavior. I think we are born bad then taught how to act. The degree of accountability we were held to tends to follow us. crimes of passion or pure rage we loose the ability to think and resort back to primal brain then its oh fuck what did I do now I feel bad. What about feeling bad only because we were caught.
This goes back to my child hood. You would get caught doin what ever , and while he was lumping ya up and tossing you around he would ask you ,,, do you know why your getting beat ? ..Little boy #1 is taught by his coaches that winning is the only thing that matters. He learns discipline and gains the ability to intensely focus on his goals, without much regard for the feelings of others.
Little boy #2 is taught by his mother that winning doesn’t matter, and what really matters is to be nice to everyone and that everyone has fun. He lives the “golden rule.” He is unable to save anything, because whenever he gets two of something he feels guilty and gives one away.
Which little boy is “good?”
Which is selfish?
Which is best equipped to survive (even thrive) in a hostile society?
If humans are born bad and have to be taught to behave proper, who is to blame when society fails to teach them? And if society is to be blamed for its failure, how can society turn around and punish the child, when society (not the child) is the entity that has failed, and the child is merely doing what the child was born to do?We’ve all fought back thoughts of or have acted out in bad or violent behavior.
Humans are born bad and have to learn to behave proper. No question on it imo.
I recently saw a documentary on chimps living in the wild in an unexplored area of Africa. It really was amazing. It seems like there is a certain size population that a tribe can reach before it inevitably splits into two or three factions, resulting in a war between all three.I think we are ingrained to be productive members of a group. Things have changed a lot obviously but in prehistory or even pre-language we all got along for the most part. Is it bad for the younger stronger male to challenge and smash the brains of an old alpha who was the leader of a pack of early humans? The answer is "NO". Having the strongest smartest leader of a tribe is beneficial to all in the tribe. One early human by themselves would have very little chance of living very long but a group of humans working together...
We are just animals and are encoded with instinct to get along in a group lest we be cast out and are eaten by a sabertooth tiger. Most kids are inherently good for the most part until they hit puberty. Yes, we can be selfish, yes we can be petty and violent, but I think that is aberrant.
Also we as people are very tribal. Look at chimps. We are just 98.8% genetically the same.
Good one. Little short on time I have some weak counters let me ponder see if I can get them stronger. In the meantime as adults we are held accountable to obscure laws that one would not think is a law and we are told ignorance is no excuse.If humans are born bad and have to be taught to behave proper, who is to blame when society fails to teach them? And if society is to be blamed for its failure, how can society turn around and punish the child, when society (not the child) is the entity that has failed, and the child is merely doing what the child was born to do?
I like how you think. I like kicking ideas around, being a devil’s advocate, assuming for the sake of argument that something I don’t believe is true, just to offer some counter-arguments.Good one. Little short on time I have some weak counters let me ponder see if I can get them stronger. In the meantime as adults we are held accountable to obscure laws that one would not think is a law and we are told ignorance is no excuse.
Lol I love playing devil advocate more of a mental exercise for me. In real life I don't get a lot of social interaction. I feel I'm living in Idiocracy. The forums is where I tend to come off somewhat eccentric.I like how you think. I like kicking ideas around, being a devil’s advocate, assuming for the sake of argument that something I don’t believe is true, just to offer some counter-arguments.
Thanks for the discussion, man
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