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Working out get's me pumped and feeling great then I crash.

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trt-depression

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My entire life, when I work out, routinely, I build muscle quickly and become pumped up only after a few workouts but I have always "hit the wall", crashed or whatever you want to call it, as I then cannot sleep and then go downhill quickly. Also it causes depression. If I continue to work out, it simply gets worse.
Again, even in High School this was the case. I wrestled and was the captain and went to the finals but was never in good shape because whenever I worked out hard I could not sleep and I literally fell apart.
But several times during my 63 years I was able to work out, starting slowly and building gradually....having to be perfect along the way and eventually working out hard and getting that pumped great feeling while still being able to sleep. But I, every time, eventually stop working out and lose that effect of feeling great and then back to square 1.
I think this comes down, at least to an extent, to inflammation as when I am feeling pumped up I have a lot of inflammation and given I already have inflammation, the doubling of this inflammation causes poor sleep etc..
I'm wondering if TRT would fix this? I seem to pump testosterone quickly as I become ripped easily but, again, hit the wall every time after becoming ripped. So this shows my body reacts and pumps testosterone but what happens next is what confuses me and has been my downfall my entire life.
If I take testosterone or ?? will this get me through that initial period where I hit the wall?
Maybe my body produces high amounts of testosterone naturally but this takes away resources my body needs to fight inflammation etc.??
By the way; even at 63 I started running, starting very slowly at 1 mile, and built up to every other day 2 miles, taking two months to increase...I was feeling great and looking great but then I threw in a tiny amount of weights to build some upper body and I hit the wall....spent a week in bed. Same as always, only once or twice in my life was I able to mix weights with running as I become very ripped/pumped quickly combining the two. Both times I had to start slowly and expertly make sure I got plenty of rest and increase workouts very slowly. Also meditation helps and antidepressants help slightly. It seems that working out causes my body to pump but also my mind and my mind races endlessly, causing poor sleep etc.. Also even one workout can cause me to feel depressed the following day.
Any info is greatly appreciated. I'm considering trying something such as TRT. And no, I will not go ask my doctor as she knows nothing about this as most do not. If there is a specialist I can contact online I'm willing to pay someone for expert advice on the subject.
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I moved your thread here because of your questions being asked.

Honestly, I think you need to see an endocrinologist and have all your hormones levels checked. Only then will you know what is or isn’t right for you.
 
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I moved your thread here because of your questions being asked.

Honestly, I think you need to see an endocrinologist and have all your hormones levels checked. Only then will you know what is or isn’t right for you.
Gone through that long ago....totally depends on if I'm exercising or not, what my tests show. Supposedly my thyroid is "normal" but I don't really trust any test results for much of anything. What is "normal" is not normal. I was diagnosed as having chronic Epstein bar virus. This virus takes over whenever I start working out or am under stress so this may be my primary issue as the virus takes off whenever it senses a weakness or a hormonal change. Plus, I now live in the middle of nowhere with no access to specialists not that I trust any doctors these days anyways...thanks for your response.
 
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Sounds like you have a cortisol problem or low lactic acid threshold.
I've considered cortisol as a main issue but not sure what solution there would be if that is the case other than the meditation and? Thanks for your response.
 
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Are there any hormones, TRT, that may help?
 
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Are there any hormones, TRT, that may help?
No, it absolutely would not help in any way. You already have testosterone, and if you were low, they’d put you on TRT, but you’re not, and you said it’s normal. However, the kicker is….. Thank you for letting us know you have EBV… that info changes everything. For as long as you are alive you will suffer attacks and the only way to try and maintain your energy levels is boosting your immune system to fight the virus when your body becomes stressed from workouts. Suggesting taking Vitamin D daily, Vitamin C, Mushroom extracts, multivitamins. Getting plenty of sleep and hopefully when you exercise you won’t become totally fatigued.
 
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No, it absolutely would not help in any way. You already have testosterone, and if you were low, they’d put you on TRT, but you’re not, and you said it’s normal. However, the kicker is….. Thank you for letting us know you have EBV… that info changes everything. For as long as you are alive you will suffer attacks and the only way to try and maintain your energy levels is boosting your immune system to fight the virus when your body becomes stressed from workouts. Suggesting taking Vitamin D daily, Vitamin C, Mushroom extracts, multivitamins. Getting plenty of sleep and hopefully when you exercise you won’t become totally fatigued.
Yep. The additional physical stress is causing an EBV response.

With this new information, I would suggest a different approach to working out. Only a couple times a week, maybe an upper body and lower body split. Nothing to failure. All working sets keeping reps in reserve. Adjust workouts around your life. If you know you are going to have additional physical stress in your life for a week or two, scale back on the training. Be proactive and reactive at the same time.
 
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No, it absolutely would not help in any way. You already have testosterone, and if you were low, they’d put you on TRT, but you’re not, and you said it’s normal. However, the kicker is….. Thank you for letting us know you have EBV… that info changes everything. For as long as you are alive you will suffer attacks and the only way to try and maintain your energy levels is boosting your immune system to fight the virus when your body becomes stressed from workouts. Suggesting taking Vitamin D daily, Vitamin C, Mushroom extracts, multivitamins. Getting plenty of sleep and hopefully when you exercise you won’t become totally fatigued.
thanks for your response and my reasoning for asking is: I read that a change in hormones may set off EBV, so working out, to even a slightly intense degree, does change my hormones.....as whenever I feel that pump...that great feeling....in one day I have an EBV attack. Keeping my hormones at a steady level by TRT or some other therapy might avoid this? not a chance?
 
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Yep. The additional physical stress is causing an EBV response.

With this new information, I would suggest a different approach to working out. Only a couple times a week, maybe an upper body and lower body split. Nothing to failure. All working sets keeping reps in reserve. Adjust workouts around your life. If you know you are going to have additional physical stress in your life for a week or two, scale back on the training. Be proactive and reactive at the same time.
Yes, I have done what you mentioned and it indeed helps, including herbs such as echinacea, goldenseal, but the older I get the less I can do and not get the EBV attack......was hoping that hormones might increase my immune response and/or keep my body from hormone fluctuations which trigger EBV. And sorry, yes, I did forget that very important information regarding EBV. I'm seeing from the responses that EBV is as serious as I thought. I read that a "vaccine" is coming for EBV though it is a mRNA vaccine which I do not trust.
 
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Yes, I have done what you mentioned and it indeed helps, including herbs such as echinacea, goldenseal, but the older I get the less I can do and not get the EBV attack......was hoping that hormones might increase my immune response and/or keep my body from hormone fluctuations which trigger EBV. And sorry, yes, I did forget that very important information regarding EBV. I'm seeing from the responses that EBV is as serious as I thought. I read that a "vaccine" is coming for EBV though it is a mRNA vaccine which I do not trust.
I couldn't tell you if testosterone would help or hurt. I do know, even if you do not train, testosterone will increase your inflammatory response. Your C reactive protein, creatine, CK, etc... will increase. I don't know if these will trigger your EBV.
 
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