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I was doing 100 mg wk with my cyp. I ran out and found I had a couple vials of EQ. I have been doing 1/3rd of a ml (100 mg) for about a month now. I must say I feel good. My sex drive has dropped off a little which my wife appreciates but that is the only diff I can tell even though it is early.

I know a lot of guys bag on EQ as being weak, but I like it. Much lower impact on lipids I feel, More anabolic/less androgenic than mast. Also I have noticed my skin is less greasy, mast really makes my pores go into overdrive.

What do you think what should I expect?
Will my sex drive drop even more the longer the mast is clear?
100 mg is a low dose which should not effect hematocrit too much?

Thanks for any insight.
 
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IMO:

What do you think what should I expect? If you feel good on EQ, then stay on it. 100 mgs per week is a small amount... you won't see any significant size or strength increases, but stay on it if it helps with your well-being.
Will my sex drive drop even more the longer the mast is clear? As long as you're on TRT, your sex drive should be fine.
100 mg is a low dose which should not effect hematocrit too much? It depends on the individual, but I wouldn't think 100 mgs of EQ will raise your hematocrit levels much, if at all. If you are concerned, donate blood every 3-4 months or so.
 
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EQ has some AI properties for some, but not for everyone. I don't know at that dose if it would for anyone. Your sex drive could continue to drop if mast was mitigating the effects of elevated estrogen from your TRT. Mast does not directly lower my E2, but does mitigate the negative effects I have when it runs into the 70's. Mast also increases my free testosterone SIGNIFICANTLY, nearly doubled. Any amount of EQ raises my RBC. However, I also do not need to run large cycles to get the same benefit as most. I get about as much at out 200 test/200 mast/100 primo as guys who run 5x that dose.
 
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EQ has some AI properties for some, but not for everyone. I don't know at that dose if it would for anyone. Your sex drive could continue to drop if mast was mitigating the effects of elevated estrogen from your TRT. Mast does not directly lower my E2, but does mitigate the negative effects I have when it runs into the 70's. Mast also increases my free testosterone SIGNIFICANTLY, nearly doubled. Any amount of EQ raises my RBC. However, I also do not need to run large cycles to get the same benefit as most. I get about as much at out 200 test/200 mast/100 primo as guys who run 5x that dose.
I’m just curious if you had bloodwork done & that’s how you found out mast raised your test levels so much. I have always heard it raised your trst levels but I had no idea it could be so much. I know everyone is different.
 
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I’m just curious if you had bloodwork done & that’s how you found out mast raised your test levels so much. I have always heard it raised your trst levels but I had no idea it could be so much. I know everyone is different.
Yes. I run blood work every 2 months.
 
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I’m just curious if you had bloodwork done & that’s how you found out mast raised your test levels so much. I have always heard it raised your trst levels but I had no idea it could be so much. I know everyone is different.
Yeah from what I understand and correct me if I am wrong, mast has an affinity to bind with SHBG. If it binds before test there will be far more free test for the androgen receptors. Same thing with proviron I think.

GF, I do think the mast was helping me out with sex drive. I am not wanting to put on mass. Just stay lean and even though I do not compete anymore and have not for 8 years, I like to stay at my fighting weight from 18-20 years ago. It is a goal that keeps me lean. Although I do sometimes get the itch to go hammer some weights and do a legit cycle.

Thanks for the info guys. I bet if I got some more mast e and added that I would feel INCREDIBLE.

I would assume mast being a potent androgen would have more of an negative effect on lipids than EQ? I am going for bloodwork in a month just for my lipids which are high. Both LDL and HDL are higher than normal but my ratio is still not good as the LDL is SOOOO high.
 
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I do think the mast was helping me out with sex drive
I get the same thing which is why I wanted to try it in the first place. TMI and all that being said ,, my junk don't ever get like fully erect due to its size , i get boners but its never full hard. Then I tried the mast ... Test Mast Tren turned me into a fucking porno star , like a GD iron bar.

Mast for me seems to be a force multiplier if you will , I can't see where it really puts on any mass at all when I use it and ive gone up to 400e a week. What I do notice is a big change in muscle endurance , dryness , hardness , overall vascularity , i'm more aggressive and for sure horny as a three peckered rooster in a new hen house.

But I dont see any addition in mass gains when I add it over time really , get more mass out of a long run adding deca in my humble opinion.
 
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Anything that makes me feel great doesn't last. I use a mix of lower dose Test P, Mast P, and Primo E year round for "TRT." I feel good, and it gives me an edge but that's it. Added in 10mg of Anadrol a few months ago, and it too has decreased in effect to just adding to that edge. It was nice at first though... teenage horniness and pretty good aggression/push in gym. I know that's a low dose, but I can't handle shit at even normal strength.

Increasing Mast makes me shed way more without too much (perceived) increase in benefit. Increasing Primo starts hitting sleep quality. Increasing Test just increases Test.. doesn't really do shit except circulate, convert, or excrete.
 
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I get the same thing which is why I wanted to try it in the first place. TMI and all that being said ,, my junk don't ever get like fully erect due to its size , i get boners but its never full hard. Then I tried the mast ... Test Mast Tren turned me into a fucking porno star , like a GD iron bar.

Mast for me seems to be a force multiplier if you will , I can't see where it really puts on any mass at all when I use it and ive gone up to 400e a week. What I do notice is a big change in muscle endurance , dryness , hardness , overall vascularity , i'm more aggressive and for sure horny as a three peckered rooster in a new hen house.

But I dont see any addition in mass gains when I add it over time really , get more mass out of a long run adding deca in my humble opinion.
Makes sense, all the old animal work comparing anabolic/androgenic qualities of the various compounds, something Victor Black has talked about a lot (see graphic) is that all the AAS are roughly the same anabolic wise, it is what else they do that makes them different.
 

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A side note on this post. Two of the women competitors at the gym run Mast E and Primo E for about 4 weeks when they want their T levels way down for their HRT (T) docs but don't want to crash and lose muscle/strength. Normally they run T/ND as a year round base. By the end of 4 weeks, their strength is fine, mass unchanged (maybe both up a little) vs going flat if they come off completely, but they both notice a decrease in mental drive, libido, energy, mental clarity and overall feeling of well being. As soon as they start back on the T, they are fine. I'm not sure if it is the peripheral conversion of T to DHT or T to E2, their E2 crashes, or both that causes this, but this is the 3rd year they've done it and it is always the same response. They source their M/E from an IFBB that has his gear tested so its legit, plus strength wise they continue with PR level lifts, maybe even become a little more vascular and the one has less acne. IMO, male or female, always keep a T base in place, the body and brain need it.
 
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Yano, force multiplier is a good term. I may get some proviron as it is similar with fewer side maybe?

Beef, I go off 2 times a year to bank up script test. When I start up again I feel great but it does go back a a regular feeling.

Wilson, great chart bro. I know nothing of women's cycle stuff. sounds legit.
 
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Yano, force multiplier is a good term. I may get some proviron as it is similar with fewer side maybe?

Beef, I go off 2 times a year to bank up script test. When I start up again I feel great but it does go back a a regular feeling.

Wilson, great chart bro. I know nothing of women's cycle stuff. sounds legit.
I have very limited experience with proviron , haven't used it in years so I couldn't honestly tell ya anything I remember about using it,

Around my third run ever I learned about shit like proviron and then nolva , clomid. Then from talkin to other gym bros on the football n track team (hammer shot disc , i aint no runner) I didn't really need to waste money on PCT and would either just drop to 150 a week or put up with feeling like shit for a month or so until my nuts woke up on their own.

Wasn't until years later I started learning about free test levels and increasing them and what did what .. and to be honest most of it is still way over my 10th grade education , I aint never been the brains of the outfit , I mostly just hurt folks.
 
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