I was running mast E with my trt and now...

[Glycomann]

I really like mast E. I ran it my last recomp. 250 test 300 mast. worked nicely. I did drop the mast and put in EQ for a couple weeks to finish out a vial i had and it basically picked up where the mast was. I didn't notice much difference. In the past I have added a squirt of EQ mid/late cycle and it acts like an accelerator with no lag at all. As a TRT plus like you're doing, I imagine it' a way to get a little more anabolic in without going over range with estrogen. Back in the day i ran EQ solo from those 50 mg/mL jugs at 250 mg/w and it was great. no brain fog, nothing like that, basically a hardener and recovery boost. That was back in my 20s when I was responsive as a young guy. Things change in time and don't always do the same thing.

 

[genetic freak]

Makes sense, all the old animal work comparing anabolic/androgenic qualities of the various compounds, something Victor Black has talked about a lot (see graphic) is that all the AAS are roughly the same anabolic wise, it is what else they do that makes them different.

Dr. Scott Stevenson broke down this study a couple weeks ago. It is not that all compounds are comparable mg for mg anabolic wise, but that they all have about the same anabolic ceiling. It is just how much per mg does each compound need to get there. If the anabolic ceiling is 100 (just a made up number) then 100 mg a day of winstrol might get there, where it may take 2000 mg a week of NPP to get there.

 

[Massive G]

I tried EQ once in the late 1990s American Made Solvay 50mg/ml.
It killed my dick and gave me colitis a know side effect listed in the road books back then
I was in my low 20s and it felt like someone injected novacaine in my scrotum. Just another example of how we are all different.

 

[jipped genes]

I tried EQ once in the late 1990s American Made Solvay 50mg/ml.
It killed my dick and gave me colitis a know side effect listed in the road books back then
I was in my low 20s and it felt like someone injected novacaine in my scrotum. Just another example of how we are all different.

Damn bro never heard of that before.!

 

[Yano]

I tried EQ once in the late 1990s American Made Solvay 50mg/ml.
It killed my dick and gave me colitis a know side effect listed in the road books back then
I was in my low 20s and it felt like someone injected novacaine in my scrotum. Just another example of how we are all different.

Novocaine Scrotum .... What a title !! Like a long lost Meshuggah album.

 

[Wilson6]

Dr. Scott Stevenson broke down this study a couple weeks ago. It is not that all compounds are comparable mg for mg anabolic wise, but that they all have about the same anabolic ceiling. It is just how much per mg does each compound need to get there. If the anabolic ceiling is 100 (just a made up number) then 100 mg a day of winstrol might get there, where it may take 2000 mg a week of NPP to get there.

My suggestion to people when they ask that question (which is more anabolic) is to sort that out individually. Run a base of T, maybe 300 mg/wk year round and sub out half of that for 12 weeks with another single compound, let it wash out and repeat. Make sure all else remains the same, journal your experience, and run some labs. You have to balance the toxicity of a compound vs another. One may be more anabolic at a lower dose up to the ceiling, but considerably more toxic or have other negatives associated with it that would make a higher dose of a less toxic compound more favorable. Lots of variables to consider, but I think overall the differences are less than many think.

 

[genetic freak]

My suggestion to people when they ask that question (which is more anabolic) is to sort that out individually. Run a base of T, maybe 300 mg/wk year round and sub out half of that for 12 weeks with another single compound, let it wash out and repeat. Make sure all else remains the same, journal your experience, and run some labs. You have to balance the toxicity of a compound vs another. One may be more anabolic at a lower dose up to the ceiling, but considerably more toxic or have other negatives associated with it that would make a higher dose of a less toxic compound more favorable. Lots of variables to consider, but I think overall the differences are less than many think.

Very true.

 

[Wilson6]

My suggestion to people when they ask that question (which is more anabolic) is to sort that out individually. Run a base of T, maybe 300 mg/wk year round and sub out half of that for 12 weeks with another single compound, let it wash out and repeat. Make sure all else remains the same, journal your experience, and run some labs. You have to balance the toxicity of a compound vs another. One may be more anabolic at a lower dose up to the ceiling, but considerably more toxic or have other negatives associated with it that would make a higher dose of a less toxic compound more favorable. Lots of variables to consider, but I think overall the differences are less than many think.

Thinking about this more today. Have to consider the interactive effects as well, and leveraging all the anabolic (GH and androgens)/anti-catabolic (insulin) systems to optimize the response at the lowest possible dose of all combined to keep risk down. The GLP-1's play a role at optimizing the insulin response, GH lowers myostatin, some androgens (Mast or an mild oral) will reduce SHBG and increase free T, etc. Again, all individualized responses. It could take 2 - 3 years to figure all this out. Most don't have the patience, just want to blast their way to growth and all the bad things that can come with it.

 

[genetic freak]

Thinking about this more today. Have to consider the interactive effects as well, and leveraging all the anabolic (GH and androgens)/anti-catabolic (insulin) systems to optimize the response at the lowest possible dose of all combined to keep risk down. The GLP-1's play a role at optimizing the insulin response, GH lowers myostatin, some androgens (Mast or an mild oral) will reduce SHBG and increase free T, etc. Again, all individualized responses. It could take 2 - 3 years to figure all this out. Most don't have the patience, just want to blast their way to growth and all the bad things that can come with it.

Absolutely. I ran 200 mg of test/100 mg of primo for 12 weeks post show last year combined with 5 iu of GH 6x a week, 20 iu of Lantus daily, 5 iu of fast acting insulin pre-workout and 5-10 iu of fast acting insulin on my two high days a week. I went from 174.2 lbs on stage to 234 lbs. Look wasn't all that great, but when I stripped off 10 lbs of crap on a mini cut it was like, holy shit. I actually put on a lot more tissue than I thought. Just over 9 weeks out from the stage, sitting at 5.5% BF at 210 lbs. I made it all the way down to 205 lbs this prep and for the last 4 weeks the scale has been going up while condition has been improving. Still have not eclipsed more than 450 mg a week in total anabolics, GH at 6 iu 6x a week and only 5-10 iu of insulin on my one high day a week. Just added in clen this week.

 

[genetic freak]

Absolutely. I ran 200 mg of test/100 mg of primo for 12 weeks post show last year combined with 5 iu of GH 6x a week, 20 iu of Lantus daily, 5 iu of fast acting insulin pre-workout and 5-10 iu of fast acting insulin on my two high days a week. I went from 174.2 lbs on stage to 234 lbs. Look wasn't all that great, but when I stripped off 10 lbs of crap on a mini cut it was like, holy shit. I actually put on a lot more tissue than I thought. Just over 9 weeks out from the stage, sitting at 5.5% BF at 210 lbs. I made it all the way down to 205 lbs this prep and for the last 4 weeks the scale has been going up while condition has been improving. Still have not eclipsed more than 450 mg a week in total anabolics, GH at 6 iu 6x a week and only 5-10 iu of insulin on my one high day a week. Just added in clen this week.

Correction, I was at 480 mg a week for the last couple weeks and went to 505 mg this week. I will stay here for a few more weeks and possibly jump up to 540 mg a week. To finish out prep.