MPMC
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I wanted to put this thread up and try to get everyone's opinion on how much is too much and what REALLY gives results. I know diet and nutrition is key but after the 5 or 6 years that Ive been using, I am really beginning to question whether I am using high enough doses. Let's start with test. As my first cycle I ran 500mg and weighed around 215 I believe. The results were decent but my libido was insane like it's never been before. Sinse then, I've gone as high as 1g and though I have done well, I feel I should have gotten more. The more I'm on the boards, I find myself coming across threads with members claiming to be unknown pros or national competitors and putting up the doses they are using. I have also heard many times the saying "3g is where the magic starts". Right now there is a guy on OLM claiming to be on his way to getting his pro card. At first he was hesitant to post up his doses because of course at his level, he doesn't need some noob jumping on this much shit hurting himself. Well he posted an idea of what he considers good doses for test. He bases it off of body weight, claiming that the larger you are, the more your body can absorb. If you are light weight running high doses, you'll basically be pissing or sweating it out...not absorbing it either way. Here is what he posted.
185 - 750mg
200 - 1000mg
215 - 1200mg-1500mg
235 and up - 1800mg - 3000mg if ur not growing on that bodybuilding isnt ur sport!
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I've also spoken with another member at AB whom also claims to be at a high level in the bodybuilding scene. The doses he told me I should run to see REAL results were shocking to me.
Here is a message between the two of us.
MpressMC-I just wanted to talk with you some more on doses and all. I have been giving thought to some of the stuff youve said and ill explain. Ive been using aas for about 5 years now and ran somewhere around 6-8 cycles. Lately i just havent felt ive gotten the results I should be. Im ending a cycle in which I ran 900mg test e, 400mg trenE and 200mg tren a. I know the stuff is legit but It just seems like i dont respond to gear like others do. In the past I ran 400-500 mg tren and wasnt impressed so i figured 600 should do it but still.. Not impressed. Is it possible for some people to naturally not respond as well and need higher doses? In your opinion. I just feel like i have platued this past year or so and am lookin for any advice on this. You seem to be knowledgable and I like your thoughts on all of it.
His response- wassup bud, first off ur are absolutly right that sume guys respond better to lower doses then others, and some people dont respond to certain drugs at all, for instance a buddy of mine does not respond to tren, AT ALL, even at mega doses....theres no legit reason why this occurs but it must be something genetic cuz it def happens from time to time with certain people, and if u ran 500mg a week of tren and didnt feel ne thing i'd double that dose for a few weeks, if u still feel NOTHING from it then u may be a "non-responder" and may need to use halotessin to get a similar result.....also if u have been juicing off and on for 5 yrs u have probably built a significant amount of muscle mass in that time frame, ok lets say for instance if u were 190lbs natural then began juicing and over the last 5 yrs ur now 215lbs on 900mg test E, 600 mgs tren....those doses are prob what u NEED to take just to maintain the amount of muscle u have gained unnaturally, so in a sense that has become ur "maintence dose" and u will prob not progess much further using dosages like that.......thats the reason at a pro level we need to meag super dose and almost never come off cuz once u start hitting 250, 260, 270lbs of muscle that is an extremely un-natural amount of muscle for a human to hold, and it will be lost very quickly if doseages are dropped for very long......
ne ways sorry to ramble on and on.....my suggestion for u would be to try running 150mgs tren A every day for 2 weeks, i kno it sounds like alot of tren but trust me u will be fine (i have run much more for much longer lol) and see how u feel, if u dont feel like a fucking rock hard brick shit house then ur prob a non-responder to tren and it'd be a waste of cash to continue it, that would be an unfortunate thing to find out cuz tren rocks but at least u will know u feel me....
as far as long acting esters go i generally keep my test E at 1000mgs a week, and EQ at 600 a week year round, i go to the extreme side on the fast acting esters cuz that just works better for me personally....so i'd suggest u first bump the tren up for the 2 weeks to see how u respond just to guage where or not tis worth taking or not......if that doasge of tren is impractical due to cost then i suggest this...
test E 1000mgs weekly
EQ 600 mgs weekly
TNE 100mgs ED
inj dbol 50mgs ED
(50 mg inj dbol is = to at least 100mgs or more oral dbol cuz u wont loose ne of the drug in the digestice tract due to acid destruction thats why i suggest inj dbol its works much better)
halotessin 60mgs ED
aromassin 25mgs ED
if ur running 900 test E and 600 tren now this cycle will def blast u thru ur plateu bro trust me cant fail, i suggest u stay on a maintence dose of 500mgs test E and 400mgs EQ when ur off cycle cuz i dont feel there is a need to ever come off ne thing completly unless u wanna stop juicing all together but i kno alot of guys arent comfortable doing that but u will maintain alot of ur gains thats way
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So is there any truth to this? The guy laid out a sample cycle that he would run and no shit, it was about 10g of gear per week lol
I'm just looking for all of your thoughts on all of this because the 600mg of test and EQ cycles just don't seem to be giving the results Im expecting anymore.
185 - 750mg
200 - 1000mg
215 - 1200mg-1500mg
235 and up - 1800mg - 3000mg if ur not growing on that bodybuilding isnt ur sport!
________________________________________________________________________________
___
I've also spoken with another member at AB whom also claims to be at a high level in the bodybuilding scene. The doses he told me I should run to see REAL results were shocking to me.
Here is a message between the two of us.
MpressMC-I just wanted to talk with you some more on doses and all. I have been giving thought to some of the stuff youve said and ill explain. Ive been using aas for about 5 years now and ran somewhere around 6-8 cycles. Lately i just havent felt ive gotten the results I should be. Im ending a cycle in which I ran 900mg test e, 400mg trenE and 200mg tren a. I know the stuff is legit but It just seems like i dont respond to gear like others do. In the past I ran 400-500 mg tren and wasnt impressed so i figured 600 should do it but still.. Not impressed. Is it possible for some people to naturally not respond as well and need higher doses? In your opinion. I just feel like i have platued this past year or so and am lookin for any advice on this. You seem to be knowledgable and I like your thoughts on all of it.
His response- wassup bud, first off ur are absolutly right that sume guys respond better to lower doses then others, and some people dont respond to certain drugs at all, for instance a buddy of mine does not respond to tren, AT ALL, even at mega doses....theres no legit reason why this occurs but it must be something genetic cuz it def happens from time to time with certain people, and if u ran 500mg a week of tren and didnt feel ne thing i'd double that dose for a few weeks, if u still feel NOTHING from it then u may be a "non-responder" and may need to use halotessin to get a similar result.....also if u have been juicing off and on for 5 yrs u have probably built a significant amount of muscle mass in that time frame, ok lets say for instance if u were 190lbs natural then began juicing and over the last 5 yrs ur now 215lbs on 900mg test E, 600 mgs tren....those doses are prob what u NEED to take just to maintain the amount of muscle u have gained unnaturally, so in a sense that has become ur "maintence dose" and u will prob not progess much further using dosages like that.......thats the reason at a pro level we need to meag super dose and almost never come off cuz once u start hitting 250, 260, 270lbs of muscle that is an extremely un-natural amount of muscle for a human to hold, and it will be lost very quickly if doseages are dropped for very long......
ne ways sorry to ramble on and on.....my suggestion for u would be to try running 150mgs tren A every day for 2 weeks, i kno it sounds like alot of tren but trust me u will be fine (i have run much more for much longer lol) and see how u feel, if u dont feel like a fucking rock hard brick shit house then ur prob a non-responder to tren and it'd be a waste of cash to continue it, that would be an unfortunate thing to find out cuz tren rocks but at least u will know u feel me....
as far as long acting esters go i generally keep my test E at 1000mgs a week, and EQ at 600 a week year round, i go to the extreme side on the fast acting esters cuz that just works better for me personally....so i'd suggest u first bump the tren up for the 2 weeks to see how u respond just to guage where or not tis worth taking or not......if that doasge of tren is impractical due to cost then i suggest this...
test E 1000mgs weekly
EQ 600 mgs weekly
TNE 100mgs ED
inj dbol 50mgs ED
(50 mg inj dbol is = to at least 100mgs or more oral dbol cuz u wont loose ne of the drug in the digestice tract due to acid destruction thats why i suggest inj dbol its works much better)
halotessin 60mgs ED
aromassin 25mgs ED
if ur running 900 test E and 600 tren now this cycle will def blast u thru ur plateu bro trust me cant fail, i suggest u stay on a maintence dose of 500mgs test E and 400mgs EQ when ur off cycle cuz i dont feel there is a need to ever come off ne thing completly unless u wanna stop juicing all together but i kno alot of guys arent comfortable doing that but u will maintain alot of ur gains thats way
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So is there any truth to this? The guy laid out a sample cycle that he would run and no shit, it was about 10g of gear per week lol
I'm just looking for all of your thoughts on all of this because the 600mg of test and EQ cycles just don't seem to be giving the results Im expecting anymore.
