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PillarofBalance

PillarofBalance

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I am cruising on 250mg test per week... As of late my shoulders and elbows are suffering pretty badly. My bench sucks so I was doing a lot of speed work for it with bands, chains etc... The plyometrics have take a large toll on these small and weak joints.

I am taking fish oil, cissus, glucosamine and chondroiton (sp?) and it's not enough... Hitting the Advil hard. Also do a lot of rehab motions and icing. Haven't benched for over a week.

So what is the minimum amount of deca you think I can use on this cruise to soften the joints and how did you come to that conclusion?
 
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J2048b

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What prehab or rehab work for shoulders? I do a few things before lifting that loosens them up a bit with bands,

Ill look them up and send u some vids if u want, let me know, u might already use these movements?

Shit cissus is not working for ya? Damn thats good stuff!!

Hynalauric acid (spelling) might do u some good, its good for joints and possible collagen supp as well?
 
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PillarofBalance

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I do all sorts of stick stretches, face pulls, wall angels and so on. I do a very aggressive speed bench and I guess this is kinda typical.
 
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I can tell you from my own exp that 150-200mg EW is a big help using Deca. Cycle it for about 16 weeks, then stop use to see how joints feel then. Also make sure you are drinking plenty of water.
 
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I am cruising on 250mg test per week... As of late my shoulders and elbows are suffering pretty badly. My bench sucks so I was doing a lot of speed work for it with bands, chains etc... The plyometrics have take a large toll on these small and weak joints.

I am taking fish oil, cissus, glucosamine and chondroiton (sp?) and it's not enough... Hitting the Advil hard. Also do a lot of rehab motions and icing. Haven't benched for over a week.

So what is the minimum amount of deca you think I can use on this cruise to soften the joints and how did you come to that conclusion?

3 to 400 on the Deca. There are studies out there that show 300 is all that is needed but I have found that 400 is my number when I'm hitting it hard.

I was kind of doing the same thing with bench and it was tearing my shit up. I just had to lay off all the fancy stuff because my old ass body just couldn't take it any more.

What I might suggest for you at this point or when you get back to benching is to actually go slower. I know we all hate to hear it but getting on some machines might do you some good. At least until the problems clear up a bit.

Pick a light to moderate weight, explode up and descend for a count of 5. I have been pyramiding the weight up to make sure I'm getting warmed up really well. This is actually what I'm doing now. Only a couple weeks into it but it's doing the trick.

If you do give it a try, be prepared for some sore pecs and tris.

HDH
 
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well i used to believe in 400 a week of deca on cruise but broke ball off ankle this year.12 weeks and 2 screws later i upped the deca to relieve the pain in it and the carpel in my wrists.i broke out bad so i went to npp 200 eod and boom alot better.as with anything ur body will get used to it but worked for me.
 
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Rotator work and dc shoulder stretch, 2 x 15 on all before any bench routine, as well as shoulder routine, rotator work using bands clench fist holding band, arm bent 90 degree, elbow glued to hip, pull or rotate or fold forearm acrost stomach region as in my old trainer john pinder (he is a beast power lifter as well pob!!) does in his video:
i pull across the stomach on both arms and rotate away from stomach for both arms as well, and hit these a few times a week!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAwAOEBNj70

and dc shoulder stretches:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifxxbWwzKio

these hurt me like hell, but have worked for me in the way of flexability and stuff!

also it might be how u are warming up that may cause some issues? HERE is a great write up from ironaddicts (wesley silveria RIP) he was also a trainer of mine before he sadly passed away abruptly:

Warm-ups

ALL SETS LISTED ARE WORK SETS. WARM-UPS MUST BE DONE PRIOR TO THESE SETS

All this is better accomplished if you do an overall body warm-up like 5-10 minutes or brisk paced walking, or on the treadmill. Or one of the “full body” cardio machines. In cases like biceps after back work, triceps ater benching it will be minimal. Also ensure we are not doing a routine that this warm-up process doesn’t apply to.

I'm now going to talk about how to do a proper warm-up. While it is very difficult to prescribe a one-size-fits-all warm-up solution for all trainees under all circumstances I'll do my best to lay out some generalized guidelines for most trainees under most conditions. Most people take warm-ups for granted that have been training for a while. I'm often taken aback by the warm-ups that some of the trainees use, or in some cases don't use. I have seen everything from the extreme of not doing warm-ups at all because of fear that it will take away from their work sets. To warm-ups that are workouts in themselves.

A proper warm-up should warm-up the muscles and joints for a particular lift, and also prime CNS to fire. It should not be so little that you are not properly warmed and exposure yourself to potential injury, but should also not be so much that it leaves you drained for your work sets. As a trainer I'm often asked how should I warm-up? Man that is a big question and of course is determined by the particular lift being done, the amount of weight being used, and any joint or muscular limitations.

In general older trainees such as myself need a few more warm-up sets, and need to be extra cautious before going all out. But the more I train people, the more I realize that young people also need to be extra cautious and ensure they are properly warmed up before going all out. Because the way joints get abused is usually in the trainees younger earlier days when they feel invincible and that they can get away with anything-- they can't, it merely feels that way. Often times damage is being done and they are totally unaware of it. More often than not joint injuries are not the result of something going pop, but are the result of cumulative damage done over time.

As you warm-up, fluid is pumped between the joints and the disks, providing lubricty that would not be there otherwise. It is also important to gradually warm up to slowly prime the CNS to fire as strongly as possible. Doing some light calisthenics or jogging and then hitting heavy weights without slowly warming up to your heavy work sets, will not adequately prime CNS to fire optimally.

When someone asks me, how should I warm-up? I often chuckle. Warm up for what? A 405 pound squat, or 105 pound barbell curl? Big difference here! It should be obvious that the barbell squat will take many more lifts, and start at higher warm-up poundage’s then the barbell curl. And it also matters what sequence the lifts are done in. Doing barbell curls after your heavy back work may require one set or in some cases for some trainees, none at all. While barbell squats done as the first exercise of the day will require a thorough warm-up of all the musculature involved.

Many bodybuilders do far too many reps for their warm-up sets, if you look at powerlifting you will see that they start out with lower weights, higher repetition sets, and then as the way climbs the repetitions decrease, usually to singles or doubles before the work sets even if they are repetition sets. This is an optimal way to warm-up for both bodybuilders and power lifters.

The best way to get ready to go and hit the heavy weights is my first doing a light five to 10 minute overall body warm up, An elliptical machine or light calisthenics, are probably optimal, but five to 10 minutes on the treadmill or just a brisk walk can do also. Okay, now your body as a unit is warmed up now it's hit the weights!

If you're routine is structured optimally you will not be starting with any light isolation type work, but a good option for many people, unless its squat or deadlift day that requires heavy use of abs, is doing your ab work the first to get the routine started. If you're not scheduled to do abs that day start with your compound lifts. Probably the best way to show you is to just give some examples. So here goes:

If you are benching or rowing or doing pulldowns with 205 x 5 a good warm-up would be:

Bar x 12
85 x 6
115 x 5
145 x 3
165 x 1
185 x 1
205 x 5 workset

MOST BB’ers do something like:
85 x 12
135 x 8
185 x 5
200 x 5

And while that format may save you some time, it won’t warm you up any better, and will detract more from your work sets.

Some of you may be laughing at including a set with only the bar. Guess what? Most 600 lb benchers start with the bar, and their slow deliberate warm-ups are part of the reason they have reached the big numbers with minimal injuries.

A 90 lb barbell curl or laying tricep extension might be only one set with 65 lbs or so if they are being done after heavy back work or benching, or might be:

35 x 10
55 x 5
75 x 3
90 x 10

If it was being done first in the routine.

Here is a warm-up for a 425 lb squat or bench press:

45 x 5 x 2
95 x 3 x 2
135 x 3
185 x 3
225 x 3
275 x 1
315 x 1
365 x 1
425 x 1

WOW, that’s 10 warm-up sets, that will take forever!! Well, not really, if they are done 1.5 minutes apart it takes 15 minutes to get there. And if you want to argue with me about this, please don’t. It’s from powerlifting GURU, Dave Tate verbatim. And quite frankly, it’s an AWESOME way to get there, and way better than a normal approach of:

135 x 10
225 x 8
315 x 5
365 x 5

That most lifters use. When I switch advanced lifter that were using a warm-up like that one over to one similar to Dave Tate’s warm-up suggestion, they often hit a 25 to 30 lb PR the FIRST session!!

A 315 bench or row would look like:

45 x 5 x 2
95 x 3 x 2
135 x 3
185 x 3
225 x 3
275 x 1
315 x 1

And yes, you can use the same basic format for a 150 x 8 bench, row, or pull-down:

45 x 5 x 2
95 x 3
115 x 2
135 x 1
150 x 8

Please understand that none of these guidelines are set in stone. They are just generalizations and should give you a reasonably good idea of how to structure your warm-up sets for a safe productive work-out. The lower the weight the higher the reps, the higher the weight the lower the reps until you're at your working poundage for the day.
 
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BrotherIron

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I would say anywhere from 200 - 300mg/wk of Deca for a cruise. Just me but if I was running Deca at 400mg or higher it's no longer a cruise, but that's just me.

The other thing is you don't want to slowly lower the weight when you are training for strength.
 
PillarofBalance

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I would say anywhere from 200 - 300mg/wk of Deca for a cruise. Just me but if I was running Deca at 400mg or higher it's no longer a cruise, but that's just me.

The other thing is you don't want to slowly lower the weight when you are training for strength.

I'm looking for the absolute bare minimum... Nandrolone makes me feel like crap overall, but worked wonders for my joints. From all over the net the numbers are all over the place. I think I'll start at 100 and see what happens.
 
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I'm looking for the absolute bare minimum... Nandrolone makes me feel like crap overall, but worked wonders for my joints. From all over the net the numbers are all over the place. I think I'll start at 100 and see what happens.

I think that's a great idea. If you look at my log when I ran deca, I started out at 120mg/wk and found 180mg/wk worked well for me except for the abdominal fat gain. If I run deca in the future I'll be sure to run T3 b/c of that.
 
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