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Diesel0022

Diesel0022

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See the difference between you and me is I don't allow emotion or opinion sway my argument. I just use fact. Now don't get me wrong, I respect that you have your own opinion, but in regards to glutamine and supplemental AA's (unless truly fasted or in keto), it's incorrect.

Read my article so I don't have to reiterate everything I've already made available to the public:

Glutamine, Worthless For Recovery, Worthless For Immune System, Worthless for Supplementation :: OgreStrength Pharmacology
 
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Dex

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Food is the best "supplement" Only supplements that work are hormones
 
porky little keg

porky little keg

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See the difference between you and me is I don't allow emotion or opinion sway my argument. I just use fact. Now don't get me wrong, I respect that you have your own opinion, but in regards to glutamine and supplemental AA's (unless truly fasted or in keto), it's incorrect.

Read my article so I don't have to reiterate everything I've already made available to the public:

Glutamine, Worthless For Recovery, Worthless For Immune System, Worthless for Supplementation :: OgreStrength Pharmacology

Please then, know that I'm not arguing - you're welcome to your opinion weather it's made from fact, fiction, or divine vision.

I trust the guidance of my team because it's worked for us. You're welcome to take it or leave it, but it's out there for anyone who would like it.
 
Diesel0022

Diesel0022

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Please then, know that I'm not arguing - you're welcome to your opinion weather it's made from fact, fiction, or divine vision.

I trust the guidance of my team because it's worked for us. You're welcome to take it or leave it, but it's out there for anyone who would like it.

Its not my place to tell you whether or not to use it, that would be egregiously out of character. But, it is physiologically useless for the healthy individual. If you are content with the placebo effect from it, by all means.
 
Rein

Rein

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After years of training and trying virtually every kind of supplement that's in circulation I have concluded that only a few are worth spending money for. Omega 3 fatty acids, some whey protein powders, creatine, bcaa's, Arginine, Selenium, QoC10, LIV52, Abana and a few vitamins like C, E and D3. There's nothing better than food.
 
HooahSwoll

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well I'm no expert nor do I have copious experience like many on this forum. Many M.D.'s and Nutritionists say the supplement industry is whack, 99% of nutrients can be obtained through their raw sources. But what do I know? Not much in actuality.
 
RAIDEN

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Not sure if you saw this, but it's good info. Bottom line is, just eat. It doesn't have to be a shake, it doesnt have to be low fat. Just eat and the effects will be the same.

Alan Aragon on the Anabolic Window - YouTube

Too many guys are afraid to stray from the norm. I made the leap, and am really glad I did. If you never try new things, and with a good effort, not some half asses effort and didn't last long because you were afraid, then you will never truly figure out what is actually working.
Eggzactly.

I think more and more are starting to stray away from "the norm" not just with supps but nutrition, training, cycles, etc. At least i have.
 
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graniteman

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Eggzactly.

I think more and more are starting to stray away from "the norm" not just with supps but nutrition, training, cycles, etc. At least i have.

RAIDEN I don't think we're talkin about eating a bucket of dicks here:D:D:D
 
dr jim

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To some, I am preaching to the choir. To others, they will just disregard what I am about to post and continue doing what they do. For the rest, hear me out.

Supplements and supplement timing is such a huge part of weight lifting. It's actually become overwhelmingly so, and some push it as far as being almost a mental disorder. There was a time, a few years ago, that I felt I had to squeeze every bit of nutritional "tactic" as possible. I Would set my timer, eat my simple carbs PWO, take my pre workout Whey, and make sure to eat a good meal at the 1 hour mark. I literally followed all the rules, had all the science to back it up etc.

Then came a day that I wanted to get lean after having several bad attempts at it. My focus was only to get ripped. I figured out that calories and macros were king, and everything will follow. I stopped all of my supps, all of the timing BS, and wouldn't you know it, I not only lost fat, but my gains were incredible. All these years I just hadn't been eating right. All of the supps and tricks in the world couldn't make up for my bad diet.

Sure, to this day I am still not "huge". I am pretty sure I am a just short of having the genetics of a 10 year old girl, but it was a damn good wake up call for me. I made more gains in the last 2 years than I had in almost 4 years of training total prior to that.

Now, don't get me wrong, there are circumstances where supps are good; Loss of appetite, on vacation and/or traveling and packing meals isn't an option etc. OTOH, to depend on supps and expecting good progress based solely on those, you're not going to be making optimal gains, IMHO.

On a final note, regardless of whether you're dieting or bulking or maintaining, it's always the same; food, food, food, THEN training, then rest, then, in a very far last place, supps.


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Absolutely ON SPOT Shorty. However should anyone be surprised considering the dearth of evidence supporting the use of "supplements", NIMO!

On a final note, I would add one daily multivitamin MAY be a worthwhile expenditure for some athletes, in addition to protein supplementation, especially ESSENTIAL Amino Acids.

What about AA makes them so important. CONVENIENCE and bioavailability are realities of the fast paced life we all live and if your attempting to create an environment for SKM hypertrophy the maintenance of a POSITIVE NITROGEN BALANCE at all times is optimal.

The latter feature of AA supplementation is one reason they have become an trite component of most Body Builders diet.

How MUCH protein is ENOUGH? There is NO DIRECT EVIDENCE BASED ANSWER to that question BUT many sports medicine physiologists suggest a DOUBLING of the RDA which approximates ONE GRAM PER KILO! So now we are at ONE GRAM PER POUND OF TBW!

For many that quantity approaches the impossible ABSENT SUPPLEMENTATION, when their lifestyle, employment and exercise routines are taken into account.

Obviously the quality of protein itself is very important. Indeed that's why it's so difficult for VEGETARIANS to improve MASS compared to their CARNIVOROUS competitors, because almost ALL vegetable protein is incomplete (does NOT contain all nine essential amino acids) the exception being except SOY and QUORN.

The other factor which is also very important is the bioavailability of the protein ingested. That's what so sublime about the new generation of protein supplements.

After years of improvisation the separation of milk protein into it's constituent parts (carbs, protein, fats) has been markedly simplified thru the use of en bloc Ionic Protein Electrophoresis (IPE) at a HUGE cost saving to the consumer. The end result is a variety of complete protein products which are relatively inexpensive, with EXCELLENT bioavailability and reasonably flavorful, IME.

BEST
JIM
 
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ProteinFarts

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I get immediate and excellent results from the supps I use. I have a very sensitive body and strong mind to muscle connection though. Both are likely helpful in order to maximize how they work or don't work.
 
shortz

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I get immediate and excellent results from the supps I use. I have a very sensitive body and strong mind to muscle connection though. Both are likely helpful in order to maximize how they work or don't work.

In other words, you need to work on your diet?
 
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