HaHa, thanks HA. I already pm'd Porky a bit of a thanks, with a detail or two. Basically, MY problem is I am a young man's mind in an old man's body. I DO long for the days of George Frenn and Peanuts West doing single garage door training, and the old Zuvers HOF gym. The old man's body does talk to the young man's mind, however, and a more bodybuilder style of training in a "suburban" gym suits me better now. The young man's mind talks back, however, and all those damn gym bunnies have not lost their relevance, I am like Popeye, I yam what I yam. STILL like to dream about the tales of Kuc and Williams training together in what was then referred to as a boiler room gym (see also "black iron" gym), and standing in a foot of water so as not to miss sessions during a Pennsylvania flood in the 70's. My granddaddy told me about all this, btw, I am only 21, honest, and I still welcome all gym bunnies into my field of vision . . . . .