Why is Estrogen Bad?

[Determined]

I'm pretty positive it's takes some estrogen to build muscle also. I think estrogen isn't bad long as it is close to normal range.

 

[DF]

I'd run an AI if having alot of water retention as a result high BP also Gyno issues. When I first started trt I finally settled in on a dose of 125mg/5days. I was running 1 mg of Adex with this protocol. After suffering with severe tendonitis in both elbows for quite some time. I finally got blood work. On that 1mg of Adex/5days I managed to tank my estro to 6. I was probably at that level for 6 months before I got the blood work. Now on my trt dose I do not take an AI at all unless my nips start to get itchy. Then I will take .5mg & that is enough to take the itchy nips away.

 

[crowman]

I'm pretty positive it's takes some estrogen to build muscle also. I think estrogen isn't bad long as it is close to normal range.

Whats normal? Do you know how a range is obtained? I ask that sincerely.

 

[crowman]

I'd run an AI if having alot of water retention as a result high BP also Gyno issues. When I first started trt I finally settled in on a dose of 125mg/5days. I was running 1 mg of Adex with this protocol. After suffering with severe tendonitis in both elbows for quite some time. I finally got blood work. On that 1mg of Adex/5days I managed to tank my estro to 6. I was probably at that level for 6 months before I got the blood work. Now on my trt dose I do not take an AI at all unless my nips start to get itchy. Then I will take .5mg & that is enough to take the itchy nips away.

You my friend win the gold star! sorry, i dont have a better prize. That is exactly how it is supposed to be treated. Does anyone care to hear what low estrogen does to a male?

 

[Get Some]

I made the mistake of using an AI too frequently back in the day and suffered SEVERE loss of sex drive along with incredible joint pains. The loss of sex drive was worse than any Deca dick I had experienced. Which, to be honest, Deca dick is not really a loss of sex drive but rather a loss of the ability to stay hard. I see people describe Deca dick as loss of sex drive all the time and that's inaccurate as far as I'm concerned.

Back to estrogen... I wrote a detailed thread at one point, ill look for it

We can't just call it Estrogen without discussing each part, E1 - E2 - E3. Estradiol (E2) is the one we're concerned with when it comes to gyno. Interestingly enough, I had high levels of E2 as a teenager and developed gyno (levels were over 150). I also had naturally high levels of testosterone, cholesterol, etc. which since have normalized when I'm off cycle. However, on cycle I get gyno within the first few days so I have to run an AI.

 

[crowman]

I made the mistake of using an AI too frequently back in the day and suffered SEVERE loss of sex drive along with incredible joint pains. The loss of sex drive was worse than any Deca dick I had experienced. Which, to be honest, Deca dick is not really a loss of sex drive but rather a loss of the ability to stay hard. I see people describe Deca dick as loss of sex drive all the time and that's inaccurate as far as I'm concerned.

Back to estrogen... I wrote a detailed thread at one point, ill look for it

We can't just call it Estrogen without discussing each part, E1 - E2 - E3. Estradiol (E2) is the one we're concerned with when it comes to gyno. Interestingly enough, I had high levels of E2 as a teenager and developed gyno (levels were over 150). I also had naturally high levels of testosterone, cholesterol, etc. which since have normalized when I'm off cycle. However, on cycle I get gyno within the first few days so I have to run an AI.

I asked him (Dr. Neal Rouzier) how do i explain to some people they will get it and some wont. Dr. Neal's Answer when you cant answer something is "GOD". "God Did it" lol. no rhyme or reason why.
i have had estrogen levels in the 300's and had no symptoms what so ever. when i saw it i freaked and loaded up on AI's for no reason other than i was told estrogen is the devil.
Estradiol is the one i should have said. Estradiol is virtually the only important one. 95% of the benefits from estrogen are estradiol. The other forms when used to treat things are very in effective for example Estraiol for women isint worth a pot to piss in when comparing it to estradiol.

You are correct about low estrogen and no sex drive. I think im still there. i was taking way too many AI's and my body has not fully recovered yet. Like i said, im passing along the info i recently learned. im as guilty as everyone else.

 

[Get Some]

I wrote an "article" of sorts based on information I have gathered throughout the years with charts showing bonding of particles and such. It even discusses the relationship between estrogen and prolactin that most do not understand. It's a sticky at ugbodybuilding.com and I don't have access to a computer currently to bring it over here. It's called The Estrogen Conundrum

 

[crowman]

I wrote an "article" of sorts based on information I have gathered throughout the years with charts showing bonding of particles and such. It even discusses the relationship between estrogen and prolactin that most do not understand. It's a sticky at ugbodybuilding.com and I don't have access to a computer currently to bring it over here. It's called The Estrogen Conundrum

Id love to take a look at it, provide you the info I have been given, see if it matches, or maybe we could even add to it to make it more effective or up to date? There is so much info that has been hidden due to ulterior motives its truly saddening. People have died because they have been mislead. Peoples quality of lives is 1/2 what it could be because they have been lied to. People are carrying disease right now because of the mis use of information on it. Who do we hold guilty for this is the real question? There are so many hands involved the ripple effect would never end.

 

[MorganKane]

Really? Please, can you provide the medical studies backing the above? If you can, I will walk away with my tail between my legs but since I can tell you copied and pasted the above who is your source and what are their credentials? Until recently i would have high fived you and said good job too. Im not proclaiming to be a self made guru. What I'am doing is coming back with info that was factually collected to allow you all to make educated decisions. The ** above are like a disease for new and even vets. No one looks into where that info came from.
Also, did you know **Fun Fact** Estrogen has been used to TREAT PROSTATE CANCER FOR OVER 50 YEARS SUCCESSFULLY.
One more fun fact. Did you know a average male teenagers estrogen level is around 80? Why arent every one of them on AI's?
Off to train legs. I will post up some stats for you all later.

Really?
Can you post a cite that say that estrogen will get rid of your prostate cancer?

 

[crowman]

Really?
Can you post a cite that say that estrogen will get rid of your prostate cancer?

yes definitely. Please give me a little time im packing to leave town but there is alot of info on it. When you say " get rid of" it is used and very beneficial in the fighting of cancer. Im not a cancer expert so I cant say how to know if cancer is ever truly 100% gone versus very dormant and in remission. Either way it is effective and there are studies I will dig up.

 

[crowman]

Really?
Can you post a cite that say that estrogen will get rid of your prostate cancer?

Oh I see what were doing here. Were playing little kid word games. I should have said Estrogen helps to fight cancer or even prevent it. You want to come on here though and go " oh no, thats not what you said. you said Get rid of". Seriously? If you want to come on here and play ****ing games go find KBD. If you dont have any valid input except to try to catch me on a word slip up go hang out in the porn section. your input thus far has been completely worthless so if you dont care to have an intelligent discussion leave. Further more you are the one who put "get rid of" I dont see that in my original post you quoted. I said it has been used to treat prostate cancer.

 

[graniteman]

I am the first to tell people to cut their AI. Most take it cause they think they will get super bloated on cycle or they will absolutely grow tits.

Only time I use an AI is if my nips get itchy or my mood is nasty. I don't have access to a lab for more frequent bloodwork.

POB I 've often thought like this but didn't want to gamble with gyno. mind me asking what levels of test you're running without an ai, any other aas supps the cycel?