For you little guys.

[PillarofBalance]

I am a pretty low-key guy, and I respect most anyone that works to improve REGARDLESS of their level of achievement. Reading some of SAD's posts and his "I am huge and better then all the little people" posts is really getting on my nerves. I have no problem pointing out that he should shut his mouth and that he really is not all that strong.

I am of the school that there is strength in humility and respect. We all are similar in our goals to be better then we were yesterday....whether bodybuilder or powerlifter. I respect that. There is always someone stronger out there. And if someone thinks they are all that, I dont mind deflating their ego.

Apparently it really aggravates him as he felt the need to make a thread about me and MF. (the Wilks crew as he put it)

I hope I do not come across as a prick as there are a BUNCH of guys who have helped me out tremendously. When they post, I listen as I have learned a great deal. So...I am still the same guy, but I can only take so much bloated BS talk before I snap a little.

I'm sure that there is something not being understood here. SAD isn't actually an arrogant prick. I've seen him help get a whole shitload of skinny crossfit pussies snapped into shape and get their minds right for a meet with absolutely no expectation of anything in return. He is volunteering to help another group of young powerlifters trained as well. Can't mention details or anything, but its noble and worth recognition. Which again, he will never ask for.

He used to break my balls constantly but the day I stopped being emotional when reading his posts was when I actually started making progress in my training. I owe him a great deal as well. And the only way he lets me thank him is by doing meets together and maintaining a friendship.

You of course don't need to. You have a huge dead, a big bench even with absolute dogshit form (sorry but your bench technique sucks lol).

SAD's point here wasn't that you or MF are pussies or something. I think its the frequent self promotion and attempting measure off's that occur on the boards. Most paragraphs in a post on a BB board begin with "I". But SAD is correct in my opinion about comparisons. Its impossible to compare two different powerlifters. There are numerous weight classes, there are tested and untested, equipped and unequipped, raw modern and raw classic, masters, sub masters, open, bench specialists, deadlift specialists and so on.

He said it in a post a long time ago. Let your accomplishments stand on their own. A pound is a pound. If you squat 285lbs and it took every god damn ounce of strength you had and you needed a month long deload after, then good for you!!! Your weight, wilks coefficient or kilo conversion or whatever makes no difference. Effort is effort.

SAD could maybe be a kinder, gentler person though

 

[Superman]

Why the **** are we arguing, I AM THE GREATEST. End of discussion. On a less serious note, I agree with SAD I appreciate every single person for stepping on a platform it takes alot of balls to compete in front of people. Just like when you walk into a boxing ring, that takes serious BALLS. I'm tired of armchair quarterbacks... thats why I don't watch professional sports and bitch I get involved. **** 'Em if they don't like me, wanna lift bro?

 

[macgyver]

I'm sure that there is something not being understood here......
He said it in a post a long time ago. Let your accomplishments stand on their own. A pound is a pound. If you squat 285lbs and it took every god damn ounce of strength you had and you needed a month long deload after, then good for you!!! Your weight, wilks coefficient or kilo conversion or whatever makes no difference. Effort is effort.

I appreciate the perspective POB. When this all first started to go awry between SAD and I, (back in a whole different tread a while back), I took a step back and then posted something like:

I dont think we would have an issue getting along in real life. A lot can be misunderstood with the written word...etc. I said we all train to improve, regardless of our goals and we are much more similar then we are different.


I was hoping that olive branch would be accepted, but it was not. To me, that spoke volumes as to his character.



I come here because this place is really a great collection of guys THAT ACTUALLY train. And most are very helpful. Where I can, I share information. (I would consider my knowledge of nutrition fairly good). I do not come here for 15 year old drama like a bunch of little girls. When I saw what I felt like was outright elitism by a guy that was mediocre at best, well that is something that makes me open my big mouth.


But again.....by your description, I probably would like him in real life. I will again open my mind to the fact that this could be just a misunderstanding that comes with the written word. I hope it is. It would be fun to sling some weights with him some time. Maybe he would gain a mutual respect for guys that dont necessarily share the same goals as his, but still take their training very serious.

 

[PillarofBalance]

I appreciate the consideration Mac. Now if anyone needs me I'll be on the can. I started GOMAD last night after training. Put my first gallon away. There is apparently a bit of an adjustment period here.

 

[schultz1]

gomad- get the **** out, white or chocolate? Ton of acid in milk IIRC, tat alone will give you the shits

 

[PillarofBalance]

gomad- get the **** out, white or chocolate? Ton of acid in milk IIRC, tat alone will give you the shits

I went for plain whole milk only cause they didn't have chocolate milk... Glad I did. I don't think I need the sugar cals that chocolate would have.

 

[69nites]

What if you used the formula for work and then used a work/kg of bw?

I think this would be more of a fair comparison.

Work is defined by force x distance. Tho I would use a constant for acceleration in figuring the force.

 

[Dex]

Comparing is all about ego. I learned to leave that shit at the door and not give a **** what anyone thought.

I don't do overhead presses for shoulders and I used 30lbs down to 10lbs yesterday for side laterals. My delts are my most complemented body part. Who's to stay I'm doing it wrong? haha I think most gym goers get caught up in what you're supposed to do and not what's right for you. High five everyone

 

[macgyver]

What if you used the formula for work and then used a work/kg of bw?

I think this would be more of a fair comparison.

Work is defined by force x distance. Tho I would use a constant for acceleration in figuring the force.

Not to distract this thread too much, but no that would not work.

Strength in humans and all of nature for that matter, does not scale lineally. You can use an extreme example as an ant and a elephant. When you see how the variables play across the spectrum lineal equations do not work. Hence wilks.

Coefficients for men are:
a=-216.0475144
b=16.2606339
c=-0.002388645
d=-0.00113732
e=7.01863E-06
f=-1.291E-08



Although no formula of this kind will be perfect, this gives you the ability to compare people across weight classes. I hold the view that it is not used to compare them to each other, but rather to see which lifter is better relative to his peers. If you take the top totals across all the weight classes and run them through wilks you should see they are very close. (hence each of the lifters are at the best of peers).

I am not sure if I am making my point, but to me Wilks is a reflection of ones achievements relative to what they are capable of. A 300 lb guy with a 300 lb bench is a dime a dozen. But a 130lb guy with a 300 lb bench is a freak of nature and the wilks would reflect this. At least that is how I choose to look at it. Regardless there is no perfect way of doing this, but I think Wilks does as good a job as you can do in trying to evaluate things like this.

 

[IronInsanity]

Mac, all I know is that your total for your weight and age puts you very close to the National Record for several federations. For a guy to be pissing on your strength looks pretty foolish. But that's JMO.

 

[Superman]

I drink a gallon and a half a day respect that POBitchness... I don't call it anything, other than I'm thirsty...

Don't ban me, I was kidding and I love your sexy legs.

 

[69nites]

Not to distract this thread too much, but no that would not work.

Strength in humans and all of nature for that matter, does not scale lineally. You can use an extreme example as an ant and a elephant. When you see how the variables play across the spectrum lineal equations do not work. Hence wilks.

Coefficients for men are:
a=-216.0475144
b=16.2606339
c=-0.002388645
d=-0.00113732
e=7.01863E-06
f=-1.291E-08



Although no formula of this kind will be perfect, this gives you the ability to compare people across weight classes. I hold the view that it is not used to compare them to each other, but rather to see which lifter is better relative to his peers. If you take the top totals across all the weight classes and run them through wilks you should see they are very close. (hence each of the lifters are at the best of peers).

I am not sure if I am making my point, but to me Wilks is a reflection of ones achievements relative to what they are capable of. A 300 lb guy with a 300 lb bench is a dime a dozen. But a 130lb guy with a 300 lb bench is a freak of nature and the wilks would reflect this. At least that is how I choose to look at it. Regardless there is no perfect way of doing this, but I think Wilks does as good a job as you can do in trying to evaluate things like this.

My point in that is not that this is a perfect way to compare. This would be greatly advantageous to those that are tall. Sort of like any other way is an advantage toward those that are short.

You have very good lifts. You're also gifted with a mechanical advantage and good genetics for powerlifting. SAD is competing in a sport he doesn't have a chance of being competitive in just for the love of the sport.

I think throwing out the "I weigh so much less than you and I'm almost as strong as you" shit is a little unfair.