I love tbol... it's not quite dbol and seems to take a little longer to kick in than dbol... that being said, I'm not sure how many more "all out bulking" cycles I'll do in my life, maybe none. So tbol will be the oral of choice for most cycles. I think it woudl be a great kick off to a low dose test/high dose primo cycle. Also, I used it in a cutter once at a lower dose (30mg) in conjunction with Var and proviron and it was amazing. For me, I don't like to go over 60mg ED because it starts messin with me sides wise