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The Truth about Antioxidants: Why they are bad for you...

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Most popular discussions of antioxidants are based on an outdated view of free radicals as evil, toxic compounds, which cause chain reactions of destructive damage culminating in degenerative diseases and aging. Research in recent years has revealed that, in addition to cellular energy production, radicals play a crucial roles in many important physiological processes, including signal transduction, cell-cycle regulation, and immune function. Long-lived organisms, like humans, have developed very sophisticated enzymatic systems for controlling and utilizing radicals. These innate antioxidant defenses are much more effective, than crude antioxidant supplements, which have not been shown to be effective at preventing aging, or any degenerative disease. Some clinical trials of antioxidant supplementation have even found harmful effects. A number of such trials have been prematurely terminated for this reason. In fact, to date, despite decades of intense research, and thousands of studies, no conclusive evidence has been found that radical formation is a causative factor in the pathogenesis of any illness. On the contrary, most evidence indicates that radical formation results from, but does not cause disease processes. Radical formation results from tissue injury, and is a necessary step in healing processes.(ref) As discussed in references cited below, radicals play a crucial role in developmental, metabolic, immunological, and other physiological functions. Without them we would not be able to produce energy, develop properly, repair injury; nor would we be able to destroy pathogens, or infected and malignant cells. In rare cases, radicals may cause DNA damage possibly leading to cancer; however, on a regular, wide-spread basis, radicals are involved in the destruction of malignant cells, protecting us from cancer.

What are Free Radicals?
In general, the reactivity of an atom is determined by the electrons that have the most energy and move farthest from the nucleus. Pairs of electrons also tend to be more stable than single, unpaired electrons. Molecules that have unpaired electrons in their outer, valence shells are called “free radicals”. They may have an electrical charge, ions; but most are neutral. Molecules that give up, or “donate” an electron are said to be “oxidized”; while molecules that accept the electron are “reduced”. Such reduction-oxidation processes are called “redox” reactions. These reactions are essential to cellular energy production, and play a vital role in very important biological signaling pathways. Antioxidants are reducing agents. They can decrease oxidative damage, but can also interfere with vital biological processes. Maintenance of redox homeostasis (oxidant-antioxidant balance) is necessary for proper cellular function.
ROS, RNS and RSS
The oxygen molecule (O2), despite having two unpaired electrons, is itself relatively stable. However, many oxygen-containing compounds, such as peroxides and superoxides, are highly reactive free radicals, collectively called “reactive oxygen species”. ROS are often byproducts of cellular energy production. Many, like superoxide, are actually produced by the body using specialized enzymes for specific purposes. Free radicals containing nitrogen are referred to as “reactive nitrogen species”. RNS result from the reaction of nitric oxide and superoxide to produce peroxynitrite, and related compounds. Both ROS and RNS are highly reactive, and can damage proteins, lipids and DNA. RNS-induced damage is sometimes referred to as “nitrosative stress”, to distinguish it from “oxidative stress”. Due to their destructive potential, superoxide and RNS are actually produced by the body as a weapon to attack and destroy foreign pathogens. Superoxide production is tightly controlled by a highly regulated network of enzymes, see: Nox Family NADPH Oxidases. For more a more detailed overview of RNS, see: Nitric Oxide and Peroxynitrite in Health and Disease. Sulphur-containing radicals are referred to as “RSS” (reactive sulphur species).(ref) These result from the reaction of thiols with ROS. Both RNS and RSS result from reactions involving ROS. I will use the terms “ROS” and “OS” (oxidative stress) loosely, without differentiating between the effects caused by specific types of secondary radicals.

Radicals in Biology
Prior to their discovery in biological processes, radicals were already well-known for their reactive, and destructive power in other areas of chemistry. Oxidative injury caused by ionizing radiation was graphically demonstrated in Nagasaki and Hiroshima. The symptoms of oxidative damage resulting from exposure to nuclear radiation closely resembled the degenerative effects of aging. In 1954 oxygen toxicity was shown to be the result of radical formation.(ref) In 1956, Denham Harman published his seminal Free Radical Theory of Aging. In 1972, Harman identified the mitochondria as the primary source of cellular ROS generation. Much research focused on mitochondrial ROS (mtROS), in particular the possibility of mtROS “leakage” to other cellular compartments, and the effects of oxidative damage to sensitive mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA). Subsequent research has shown that mtROS “leakage” is much less than originally thought. “The physiological level of ROS emission from mitochondria is negligible (as discussed in this review) and unlikely to be of any significance except as a signal.” (ref) Experiments have also shown that oxidase overexpression lowering mtOS and mtDNA mutations, does not increase lifespan. Furthermore, dramatically increased mutations in mtDNA (500 fold) produce no signs of accelerated aging. (ref) Focus has shifted to other organelles such as the peroxisomes (ref, ref, ref, ref, ref) and lysosomes (ref, ref,). Due to the role of lysosomes in recycling mitochondria, some have gone so far as to rename the “Mitochondrial Free Radical Theory of Aging” the “The Mitochondrial–Lysosomal Axis Theory of Aging”. (ref, ref).
Given the recognized destructive potential of ROS and the ability of antioxidants to neutralize them, why has antioxidant supplementation failed to produce consistent, positive outcomes, in many cases, causing harm, even increasing oxidative stress? In order to understand the answer, we need to understand the body's natural antioxidant defense mechanisms, and the biological function of ROS in human physiology.

The Body's Natural Antioxidant Defenses
Long-lived species have developed sophisticated mechanisms for dealing with ROS and utilizing them. Controversy of Free Radical Hypothesis: “To be protected from potentially harmful effects of ROS, aerobic organisms evolved several specialized mechanisms. To detoxify ROS, they use system of antioxidants, including specific antioxidative enzymes, e.g. superoxide dismutase, catalase, glutathione peroxidase. . .This system consists of mostly degradative yet also other enzymes such as proteases, peptidases, phospholipases, acyl transferases, endonucleases, exonucleases, polymerases, ligases, etc., to cleave and replace irreversibly damaged macromolecules (Elliott et al. 2000). Importantly, the systems are integrated, they work in concert and their actions may be closely interconnected (Sies 1993; Berry and Kohen 1999; Gate et al. 1999)”.
Superoxide Dismutase(SOD) catalyzes the reduction of superoxide into hydrogen peroxide and water. In mammals, there are three isoforms which function in distinct cellular compartments. SOD1 is found in the cytosol and mitochondrial intermembrane. SOD2 is located in the mitochondrial matrix; and SOD3 functions in the extracellular space. (ref)
Glutathione Peroxidase (Gpx) transforms peroxides, especially lipid hyroperoxides, into water and alcohol. Specialized GPx forms function in distinct cellular compartments in specific tissue types. “Analysis of the selenoproteome identified five glutathione peroxidases (GPxs) in mammals: cytosolic GPx (cGPx, GPx1), phospholipid hydroperoxide GPx (PHGPX, GPx4), plasma GPx (pGPX, GPx3), gastrointestinal GPx (GI-GPx, GPx2) and, in humans, GPx6, which is restricted to the olfactory system. GPxs reduce hydroperoxides to the corresponding alcohols by means of glutathione (GSH). They have long been considered to only act as antioxidant enzymes. Increasing evidence, however, suggests that nature has not created redundant GPxs just to detoxify hydroperoxides. cGPx clearly acts as an antioxidant, as convincingly demonstrated in GPx1-knockout mice. PHGPx specifically interferes with NF-kappaB activation by interleukin-1, reduces leukotriene and prostanoid biosynthesis, prevents COX-2 expression, and is indispensable for sperm maturation and embryogenesis. GI-GPx, which is not exclusively expressed in the gastrointestinal system, is upregulated in colon and skin cancers and in certain cultured cancer cells. GI-GPx is a target for Nrf2, and thus is part of the adaptive response by itself, while PHGPx might prevent cancer by interfering with inflammatory pathways. In conclusion, cGPx, PHGPx and GI-GPx have distinct roles, particularly in cellular defence mechanisms. Redox sensing and redox regulation of metabolic events have become attractive paradigms to unravel the specific and in part still enigmatic roles of GPxs.”(ref) In addition to these six GPxs, two additional isoforms have recently been identified, GPx7 and Gpx8, which appear to function in the endoplasmic reticulum, where they enable the “productive use” of peroxides for the oxidative folding of proteins.(ref)
Catalase (CAT) uses iron to reduce peroxides. Hundreds of different forms are widely distributed in animal, plant and fungi tissues. Some contain manganese, and some are bifunctional catalase-peroxidases.(ref)
In addition to these principal antioxidant enzymes, the secondary antioxidant enzymes, thioredoxin (ref), glutaredoxin (ref), and peroxiredoxin (ref) systems also aid in the control, and selective removal, of ROS.(ref) The activity of all innate antioxidant enzymes is highly selective. They function in specific cellular compartments, within specific tissues, in response to specific signaling pathways, to reduce specific radical types. The body is able to increase or decrease their activity in target locations, as needed, to maintain ideal redox homeostasis. Antioxidant enzymes can not be taken orally; it would not be advisable to do so, even if possible. Experiments with IV administration have not produced favorable results. Plasma levels are not the key, since redox activity must be differentially modulated within specific cellular compartments in specific tissue types.(ref, ref, ref)

Nutritional Antioxidants
Unlike innate antioxidant enzyme systems, nutritional antioxidants are nonenzymatic, meaning that they are not enzymes which catalyze redox reactions directly affecting pro-oxidant substrates. For the most part, they work by breaking oxidative chains, either by accepting (or donating) electrons, thereby eliminating the unpaired electron. They are inferior to the body's natural enzymatic antioxidants, because they can not be activated selectively in response to the continually changing redox status of specific cellular compartments. Their activity is indiscriminate. Since ROS serve many important functions (discussed below), neutralizing them is not always beneficial. Furthermore, by interfering with the normal signaling pathways that activate the body's natural enzymatic defenses, in many cases, exogenous antioxidants can actually increase oxidative stress (OS). I should also mention that certain botanical phenolic compounds appear to work indirectly. Rather than interrupt oxidative chains by directly reducing pro-oxidants, they appear to decrease OS through a variety of signaling pathways, some of which may result in upregulation of the body's enzymatic antioxidants.(ref) This is true for the so called “hormetic” botanicals including catechins, quercetin, and curcumin which are actually mild pro-oxidants, even though they indirectly decrease OS.(ref, ref)

Hormesis
“Hormesis” is the idea that regular exposure to small amounts of toxins, or other forms of biological stress have salutory effects, by activating defensive mechanisms. How increased oxidative stress promotes longevity and metabolic health: “Recent evidence suggests that calorie restriction and specifically reduced glucose metabolism induces mitochondrial metabolism to extend life span. In conflict with Harman's free radical theory of aging (FRTA), these effects may be due to increased formation of reactive oxygen species (ROS) within the mitochondria causing an adaptive response that culminates in subsequently increased stress resistance assumed to ultimately cause a long-term reduction of oxidative stress. This type of retrograde response has been named mitochondrial hormesis or mitohormesis, and may in addition be applicable to the health-promoting effects of physical exercise in humans and, hypothetically, impaired insulin/IGF-1-signaling in model organisms. Consistently, abrogation of this mitochondrial ROS signal by antioxidants impairs the lifespan-extending and health-promoting capabilities of glucose restriction and physical exercise, respectively. In summary, the findings discussed in this review indicate that ROS are essential signaling molecules which are required to promote health and longevity. Hence, the concept of mitohormesis provides a common mechanistic denominator for the physiological effects of physical exercise, reduced calorie uptake, glucose restriction, and possibly beyond.”
Extending life span by increasing oxidative stress: “This review aims to summarize published evidence that several longevity-promoting interventions may converge by causing an activation of mitochondrial oxygen consumption to promote increased formation of reactive oxygen species (ROS). These serve as molecular signals to exert downstream effects to ultimately induce endogenous defense mechanisms culminating in increased stress resistance and longevity, an adaptive response more specifically named mitochondrial hormesis or mitohormesis. Consistently, we here summarize findings that antioxidant supplements that prevent these ROS signals interfere with the health-promoting and life-span-extending capabilities of calorie restriction and physical exercise. Taken together and consistent with ample published evidence, the findings summarized here question Harman's Free Radical Theory of Aging and rather suggest that ROS act as essential signaling molecules to promote metabolic health and longevity.”
There is evidence that hormesis is the result of epigenetic adaptations. Hormesis and epigenetics: “Recent experimental studies clearly indicate that environmental fluctuations can induce specific and predictable epigenetic-related molecular changes, and support the possibility of adaptive epigenetic phenomenon. The epigenetic adaptation processes implying alterations of gene expression to buffer the organism against environmental changes support adaptability to the expected life-course conditions. It appears likely that adaptive epigenetic rearrangements can occur not only during early developmental stages but also through the adulthood, and they can cause hormesis, a phenomenon in which adaptive responses to low doses of otherwise harmful conditions improve the functional ability of cells and organisms. In this review, several lines of evidence are presented that epigenetic mechanisms can be involved in hormesis-like responses.” The pendulum appears to be swinging. In place of antioxidants, some are even beginning to call hormetic OS a cure for aging. See:
Stress to the Rescue: Is Hormesis a ‘Cure’ for Aging?
Hormesis Against Aging and Diseases
Nutritional Hormesis and Aging
Inflammatory modulation of exercise salience: using hormesis to return to a healthy lifestyle

The Paradox of Exercise
The fact that enzymatic antioxidants are produced in response to ROS may, in part, explain the so called “paradox of exercise”. Why else would an activity, which results in dramatically increased levels of toxic ROS, produce undisputed health benefits? This may also explain why most studies of antioxidant supplementation with exercise have shown little benefit. Some studies have even found a negative effect to antioxidant supplementation combined with exercise. Here are a few examples:
Ascorbic acid supplementation does not attenuate post-exercise muscle soreness following muscle-damaging exercise but may delay the recovery process.
Oral administration of vitamin C decreases muscle mitochondrial biogenesis and hampers training-induced adaptations in endurance performance
Antioxidants prevent health-promoting effects of physical exercise in humans: “Exercise increased parameters of insulin sensitivity (GIR and plasma adiponectin) only in the absence of antioxidants in both previously untrained (P < 0.001) and pretrained (P < 0.001) individuals. This was paralleled by increased expression of ROS-sensitive transcriptional regulators of insulin sensitivity and ROS defense capacity, peroxisome-proliferator-activated receptor gamma (PPARγ), and PPARγ coactivators PGC1α and PGC1β only in the absence of antioxidants (P < 0.001 for all). Molecular mediators of endogenous ROS defense (superoxide dismutases 1 and 2; glutathione peroxidase) were also induced by exercise, and this effect too was blocked by antioxidant supplementation. Consistent with the concept of mitohormesis [mitochondrial hormesis], exercise-induced oxidative stress ameliorates insulin resistance and causes an adaptive response promoting endogenous antioxidant defense capacity. Supplementation with antioxidants may preclude these health-promoting effects of exercise in humans.”
For a detailed discussion of the exercise-induced muscular effects of ROS, see Exercise-Induced Oxidative Stress: Cellular Mechanisms and Impact on Muscle Force Production: “Many early studies investigating exercise and free radical production focused on the damaging effects of oxidants in muscle (e.g., lipid peroxidation). However, a new era in redox biology exists today with an ever-growing number of reports detailing the advantageous biological effects of free radicals. Indeed, it is now clear that ROS and RNS are involved in modulation of cell signaling pathways and the control of numerous redox-sensitive transcription factors. Furthermore, physiological levels of ROS are essential for optimal force production in skeletal muscle. Nonetheless, high levels of ROS promote skeletal muscle contractile dysfunction resulting in muscle fatigue.”

Biological Functions of ROS
ROS are not merely toxic compounds. In recent years, research has only just begun to reveal some of the many important functions of ROS. Space does not permit detailed discussion of the numerous beneficial roles of ROS in human physiology; however, below is an unsystematic sampling of examples with references for those who may be interested.

Energy Production
ROS play an intimate role in the processes of cellular energy production. Without them human life would not be possible. For an interesting discussion of the crucial role of bioenergetics in the development of complex life see: Bioenergetics, the origins of complexity, and the ascent of man. For an explanation of the basics of biological energy production, see: Energy Generation.

Signal Transduction.
Oxyl radicals, redox-sensitive signalling cascades and antioxidants
Hydrogen peroxide sensing and signaling
Reactive oxygen species in cell signaling
Thiol peroxidases mediate specific genome-wide regulation of gene expression
The redox regulation of thiol dependent signaling pathways in cancer
Direct oxidative modifications of signalling proteins in mammalian cells and their effects on apoptosis
Oxidative stress and cell signalling
Membrane regulation: Involvement of plasma membrane redox systems in hormone action

Immune System
The many roles of NOX2 NADPH oxidase-derived ROS in immunity
Destruction of pathogens and infected cells
Innate Immunity
The superoxide-generating oxidase of phagocytic cells
Dendritic, Phagocyte and T-cell Regulation
ROS Level Defines Dendritic Cell Development
Developmental biology: A bad boy comes good
Induction of regulatory T cells by macrophages is dependent on production of ROS
Redox Imbalance in T Cell-Mediated Skin Diseases
Macrophages suppress arthritis development by producing ROS.
Autophagy regulation
Activation of antibacterial autophagy by NADPH oxidases
Regulation of autophagy by ROS: physiology and pathology.
Autophagy, reactive oxygen species and the fate of mammalian cells.

Tissue Healing
The general case for redox control of wound repair
Wound Healing Essentials: Let There Be Oxygen
Redox Signals in Wound Healing
NADPH oxidase-mediated redox signaling: roles in cellular stress response, stress tolerance, and tissue repair
Regulation of cell proliferation by NADPH oxidase-mediated signaling: potential roles in tissue repair, regenerative medicine
Hydrogen peroxide mediates rapid wound detection
ROS as essential mediators of cell adhesion

Development
Function of ROS during animal development
Redox control in mammalian embryo development
The Roles of Glutathione Peroxidases during Embryo Development
(As a side note, Q10 actually increases OS during pregnancy, while vitamin E reduces it, see: Effects of exogenous antioxidants on oxidative stress in pregnancy.)

Redox Homeostasis
Cell-Cycle – Apoptosis/Proliferation – Destruction of Malignant Cells
The redox state of a cell plays an important role in determining whether the cell survives and proliferates, or dies. Moderate amounts of free radicals tend to promote survival and poliferation, while high levels result in apoptosis (cellular death). See: Redox Regulation of Cell Survival and CELLULAR REDOX SYSTEMS . “Under physiologic conditions, the balance between production and elimination of ROS ensures the proper maintenance of cellular metabolism and other functions.”
REACTIVE OXYGEN SPECIES, CELLULAR REDOX SYSTEMS AND APOPTOSIS
Capsaicin fights cancer by inhibiting antioxidant defenses, increasing ROS: Role of Mitochondrial Electron Transport Chain Complexes in Capsaicin Mediated Oxidative Stress Leading to Apoptosis in Pancreatic Cancer Cells
ROS suppress cancer genes, while antioxidant defenses increase tumorigenesis: Oncogene-induced Nrf2 transcription promotes ROS detoxification and tumorigenesis
Redox regulation in cancer

Cardiovascular – Endothelial Function – Nitric Oxide
Mitochondrial ROS-mediated signaling in endothelial cells
Exercise and Endothelial Function

Metabolic
Hypothalamic Appetite Regulation: ROS sets melanocortin tone and feeding in diet-induced obesity
Insulin Production and Function
Insulin action is facilitated by insulin-stimulated ROS
ROS and uncoupling protein 2 in pancreatic β-cell function.
Thyroxine Synthesis
Association of Duoxes with Thyroid Peroxidase and Its Regulation in Thyrocytes
Dual oxidase, hydrogen peroxide and thyroid diseases

Neurological
Modulation of neuronal stem cell differentiation by hypoxia and reactive oxygen species
Proliferative neural stem cells have high endogenous ROS levels that regulate self-renewal and neurogenesis
Cerebral Blood Flow Regulation by Nitric Oxide: Recent Advances
Mitochondrial preconditioning: a potential neuroprotective strategy
Fuel utilization by hypothalamic neurons: roles for ROS

Hypoxia Response
ROS-dependent endothelin signaling
ROS facilitate oxygen sensing

Antioxidant Efficacy Studies
I started looking at the human clinical efficacy studies expecting to find more positive results. Since earlier studies had been encouraging, many of the researchers of the later, large-scale, clinical studies were surprised by their own results. The earlier positive research included in vitro studies, animal studies and even some small human clinical studies. Population studies have consistently shown a benefit to consuming a diet rich in naturally occurring antioxidants from fruits and vegetables.
One would expect that health-conscious individuals who intentionally take antioxidant supplements would also make other life-style choices conducive to good health. Despite this possible confounding effect, research on intentional supplement users has also been disappointing. It is not possible to draw general conclusions based on studies of small numbers of subjects. It is also important that the duration of the the study be reasonably long, since we are interested in long-term effects. Although a very good model for many conditions, there are reasons why animal studies involving short-lived species, like mice, which have a lifespan of only a few years, may not be applicable to humans with a lifespan of a hundred years. In general, short-lived species produce much higher levels of ROS than long-lived species. Does this fact prove the Free Radical Theory of Aging? Of course, not. Species don’t have longer lifespans because they generate fewer ROS; rather, they have evolved the ability to generate fewer ROS in accordance with their lifespan. Longer-lived organisms have lower metabolic rates, and more advanced innate defense mechanisms. So, it is not surprising that studies involving mice don’t translate directly to humans.

Most of the large-scale, double-blind, placebo-controlled studies that I have seen involving antioxidant supplementation show no benefit, or adverse effects. You can always criticize studies saying that the dose used was too small, or too large, or the duration was not long enough to show the benefits, etc. But one would expect to see some studies showing benefits. Adverse effects are also very difficult for proponents of antioxidant supplementation to explain. If the dose used was too small to show benefit, then why was it large enough to show statistically significant adverse effects? Their outdated view of antioxidants fails to explain why there would ever be any adverse effect (except due to toxic overdose). Meta-analyses are usually criticized by claiming that the selection criteria were biased in some way. If this were the case, then alternate selection criteria should produce distinct results. What alternate criteria should be used? More importantly, where are the clinical studies that would produce different meta results?

It would be good to review any large-scale human clinical data supporting antioxidant supplementation, if they exists, please post them. Most of the studies have focused on vitamins C and E. (Interest in beta-carotene subsided early on when it was shown to dramatically increase the risk of cancer.) So, supplement proponents can also say that they tell us little about ALA, Q10 and other compounds. Antioxidant supplements have become a big business with revenue in 10’s of billion of dollars annually. Unfortunately, I feel that supplement sellers have often been as bad about misrepresenting research, as the pharmaceutical companies. I should also add that antioxidant supplementation is without a doubt beneficial in certain specific situations, such as exposure to ionizing radiation, which generates abnormally high levels of ROS. This includes exposure from routine medical procedures, like radio-isotope stress tests, cancer treatments, and CAT scans. (Melatonin seems to be especially useful here. It is both a direct antioxidant, and an indirect one by activating antioxidant enzyme systems.) Despite the change in our understanding of antioxidants, I still believe in and take supplements, including ALA, NAC, even moderate doses of vitamin C and E, as well as a variety of botanical extracts; although I admit that my enthusiasm for them has subsided with a better understanding of the biology involved. Below is an unsystematic summary of some human studies:
 
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Clinical Trials

The proportion of major coronary events in men with a previous myocardial infarction who smoke was not decreased with either alpha-tocopherol or beta-carotene supplements. In fact, the risk of fatal coronary heart disease increased in the groups that received either beta-carotene or the combination of alpha-tocopherol and beta-carotene; there was a non-significant trend of increased deaths in the alpha-tocopherol group. We do not recommend the use of alpha-tocopherol or beta-carotene supplements in this group of patients. (2,000 subjects over 5 years) Randomised trial of alpha-tocopherol and beta-caroten... [Lancet. 1997] - PubMed - NCBI

In patients with vascular disease or diabetes mellitus, long-term vitamin E supplementation does not prevent cancer or major cardiovascular events and may increase the risk for heart failure. (4,000 subjects over 7 years) Effects of Long-term Vitamin E Supplementation on Cardiovascular Events and Cancer, March 16, 2005, 293 (11): 1338

The data from this large trial indicated that 600 IU of natural-source vitamin E taken every other day provided no overall benefit for major cardiovascular events or cancer, did not affect total mortality, and decreased cardiovascular mortality in healthy women. These data do not support recommending vitamin E supplementation for cardiovascular disease or cancer prevention among healthy women. (40,000 subjects over 10 years) Vitamin E in the Primary Prevention of Cardiovascular Disease and Cancer, July 6, 2005, Lee et al. 294 (1): 56

In this large, long-term trial of male physicians, neither vitamin E nor C supplementation reduced the risk of major cardiovascular events. These data provide no support for the use of these supplements for the prevention of CVD in middle-aged and older men. (14,000 subjects, 10 years) Vitamins E and C in the Prevention of Cardiovascular Disease in Men: The Physicians

In a large-scale randomized trial of US male physicians, long-term alternate day use of 400 IU of vitamin E and/or daily use of 500 mg of vitamin C had no significant beneficial or harmful effect on the risk of cataract. Long-term use of vitamin E and/or vitamin C supplements has no appreciable effect on cataract. (11,000 subject, 8 years) Age-related Cataract in a Randomized Trial of Vitamins E and C in Men

Our randomized trial data showed no significant overall effects of vitamin C, vitamin E, and β-carotene on risk of developing type 2 diabetes in women at high risk of CVD. (8,000 subjects, 9 years) Effects of vitamins C and E and

In this large long-term trial of male physicians, neither vitamin E nor C supplementation reduced the risk of prostate or total cancer. These data provide no support for the use of these supplements for the prevention of cancer in middle-aged and older men. (14,000 subjects, 8 years) Vitamins E and C in the Prevention of Prostate and Total Cancer in Men: The Physicians

Meta-Analyses

We could not find convincing evidence that antioxidant supplements prevent gastrointestinal cancers. On the contrary, antioxidant supplements seem to increase overall mortality. (20 trials with 212,000 subjects) Antioxidant supplements for preve... [Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2008] - PubMed - NCBI

Treatment with beta carotene, vitamin A, and vitamin E may increase mortality. Vitamin C and selenium had no significant effect on mortality. (68 trials, 233,000 subjects) Mortality in Randomized Trials of Antioxidant Supplements for Primary and Secondary Prevention, February 28, 2007, Bjelakovic et al. 297 (8): 842

We found no sufficient evidence of vitamin E role for decreasing risk of CRC [colorectal cancer] incidence (RR: 0.89, CI: 0.76, 1.05; p-value = 0.18). It has been identified in the review that Vitamin E does not have protective role in the prevention of colorectal cancer. (94,000 total subjects, over 7 to 10 years) Systematic review on "vitamin E and preventi... [Pak J Pharm Sci. 2010] - PubMed - NCBI

There is a lack of evidence to support the use of naturally occuring retinoids for the treatment and prevention of lung cancers. Importantly, CARET, the largest chemoprevention trial to date of vitamin A and lung cancers, found a significantly increased risk of lung cancers in the retinol and beta carotene arm [43]. This trial, consisting of 18,314 current and former smokers and asbestos workers at high risk of lung cancers, was stopped early due to interim results showing increased lung cancer risk in the active arm (retinol and beta carotene), RR 1.28 (1.04–1.57) [43]. We are not aware of another review of vitamin A for lung cancers to date that has included such an extensive analysis of the available data. Vitamin A and Retinoid Derivatives for Lung Cancer: A Systematic Review and Meta Analysis

There is no evidence of efficacy of Vitamin E in the prevention or treatment of people with AD or MCI [Alzheimer's Diseae or Mild Cognitive Impairment]. Vitamin E for Alzheimer's disease... [Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2008] - PubMed - NCBI

High-dosage (> or =400 IU/d) vitamin E supplements may increase all-cause mortality and should be avoided. (19 trials with 136,000 participants) Meta-analysis: high-dosage vitamin E suppleme... [Ann Intern Med. 2005] - PubMed - NCBI

Bayesian and Markov Models

Indiscriminate Supplementation of Vitamin E Does More Harm than Good

Objectives— For many years, the prevailing concept was that LDL oxidation plays a central role in atherogenesis. As a consequence, supplementation of antioxidants, particularly vitamin E, became very popular. Unfortunately, however, the major randomized clinical trials have yielded disappointing results on the effects of vitamin E on both mortality and morbidity. Moreover, recent meta-analyses have concluded that vitamin E supplementation increases mortality. This conclusion has raised much criticism, most of it relating to three issues: (1) the choice of clinical trials to be included in the meta-analyses; (2) the end point of these meta-analyses (only mortality); and (3) the heterogeneity of the analyzed clinical trials with respect to both population and treatment. Our goal was to bring this controversy to an end by using a Markov-model approach, which is free of most of the limitations involved in using meta-analyses.

Conclusions— Our study demonstrates that in terms of QALY [quality of life years], indiscriminate supplementation of high doses of vitamin E is not beneficial in preventing CVD. Selective supplementation of vitamin E to individuals under oxidative stress requires further investigation.

Vitamin E supplementation and mortality
OBJECTIVE:
To describe Bayesian meta-analysis methods for combining data from clinical trials, using recent studies that analyzed the relationship between vitamin E dose and all-cause mortality.
CONCLUSIONS:
Vitamin E intake is unlikely to affect mortality regardless of dose. The Bayesian meta-analyses presented here are ideal for incorporating disparate sources of variability, including trial effect and model uncertainty.

Reasons Why Antioxidant Supplementation Does Not Work

May not reach target compartments, i.e. the mitochondria.
Inactivate natural defensive enzyme systems.
Disrupt important signal transduction pathways.
Disrupt normal redox homeostasis.
May have adverse effects on gene expression.

Transgenic/Knockout Studies
Even if antioxidant supplements don't work, accumulated oxidative damage could still be the cause of aging and/or other conditions. Transgenic and knockout mice studies alter the expression of genes regulating the production of antioxidant enzymes. As already mentioned, such studies increasing or decreasing mitochondrial antioxidants, which alternatively increased or decreased the amount of corresponding mtOS, had no effect on lifespan, and produced no visible signs of aging. Similarly, a study increasing the rate of mitochondrial mutations by 500 fold produced no signs of aging, and no change in lifespan. Based on all available current evidence, it is very unlikely that accumulated oxidative damage is the general cause of aging. It may play a causal role in the development of certain specific pathologies, though evidence for this remains inconclusive.

Is the Oxidative Stress Theory of Aging Dead?
“A direct experimental test of the Oxidative Stress Theory of Aging is to alter the level of oxidative stress/damage and determine how these alterations affect lifespan. Using DNA recombinant technology, investigators over the past fifteen years have studied the effect of altering the expression of various components of the antioxidant defense system on lifespan; these studies are described in the Discussion. Below, we bring together all of the lifespan data that our group has conducted on transgenic/knockout mice with alterations in a wide variety of genes involved in the antioxidant defense system. These data demonstrate that almost all alterations in the antioxidant system of mice have no effect on lifespan.”

Caution Interpreting Data
I realize that readers of this review are likely to reply with some of the numerous studies purporting to demonstrate the health benefits of antioxidant supplementation. I do not deny that, in certain cases, there may be some benefits. However, I strongly suggest that caution be exercised when interpreting data. The following points may seem obvious; but they remain common fallacies routinely committed by both laymen, and even researchers in the field.

Correlation is not causation. The fact that aging or other conditions are associated with increased levels of OS does not show that OS causes those conditions.
In vivo effects are often very diffferent from in vitro. The fact that a compound exhibits certain properties in the lab does not mean it will have the same effects in the complex environment of a living organism.
Effects vary between species. The fact that a certain treatment increases the lifespan of a nematode, for example, does not imply that it will do the same for humans.
More is not better. If a nutrient has a beneficial effect at a given dose, it does not follow that greater doses will produce a greater beneficial effect.
Many nutritional antioxidants have important health benefits independent of their antioxidant activity. In certain cases, correcting nutritional deficits may produce benefits. It does not follow that the benefits are necessarily the result of antioxidant activity.
Viable anti-aging therapies must be capable of increasing maximum human lifespan, not just mean lifespan.

What does the future hold for antioxidant research?
The Free Radical Theory of Aging appears to be dying, if not already dead. Nutritional antioxidant supplementation does not appear to be the key to improved improved health or longevity. Does this mean antioxidants are a dead-end? No. Pharmaceutical or nutraceutial antioxidant therapies remain promising. Given the fact that antioxidant defenses diminish (as do most biological processes) with age, upregulating these defenses through pharmaceutical or nutraceutical intervention may, one day, be part of a comprehensive anti-aging program. Such therapies may not dramatically increase lifespan; but they are likely to increase healthspan, and may prove to be an effective treatment for specific disorders. To be effective such therapies must selectively target the activation of compromised, or suboptimal antioxidant systems. Like all proteins, enzymatic antioxidants are the result of the expression of their genes. So, viable therapeutic approaches might seek to increase the expression of those genes. The Nrf2 ARE (Antioxidant Response Element) controls the expression of enzymatic antioxidants. Clinical trials are already underway for compounds targeting the Nrf2-ARE pathway.(ref) An alternate approach is to target the upstream or downstream effects of oxidative damage in specific cellular systems. As an example of the latter, Cause and Consequence discusses stategies for targeting KGDHC (α-ketoglutarate dehydrogenase complex), which plays a role in neurodegeneration. To be effective both approaches will require a detailed understanding of the molecular processes involved, rather than the indiscriminate ingestion of compounds thought to “reduce” evil ROS. Even highly selective approaches are likely to involve some trade-offs. The prevention of some degenerative conditions might come at the price of increased the risk of certain cancers, etc. Optimal health and longevity result from seeking a judicious balance. Very few physiological pathways are purely “evil”.
 
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double tap.
 
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Very very interesting, I agree that supp companies are full of shit and over priced, but I dont think studies are to be the measure of all, studies can be flawed, they can be biased, there are other cultures that have many homepathic type approaches that have been used before our civilization even existed that we care not about testing, to me I do look at tests results , Im not saying there is no validity, but Many of us have lived a long time doing and studying things that many dont comprehend and studies may not be the vehicle to bridge that gap. While I use my doctor quite frequently yes I get the flu shots ect ect, I believe that vitamins , minerals and even herbs are shortchanged by the narrow view point that if they arent studies then they are no good, I think of how the eastern medicines use energy meridians for decades were thought to be mumbo jumbo and now recently they use electic sensors to measure activity where the so called meridians are located on the body, so chi gong type exercises , accupncture, internal martial arts all use this type of energy to live, to feel energy to heal and to kill- western science cant undestand because we cant use our ideas to measure it, their society existed like thousands of years before the roman empire . Many methods wer handed down by word of mouth, I think of aruvedic medicine the same way and yoga is like the chi gong - Tai chi is sort of related to chi gong as is the martial arts of Pa Kua , Hsing -yi etc etc, the japanese have thiers , the filipinos have theirs- they use all kinds of foods and herbal concoctions that have worked, they actually have never been wanting to share with us, since we dropped that atom bomb on thier neighbors at hiroshima - I laugh when some of my ignnorant fat obese co workers who dont believe in being in shape say they wont use anything unless approved by the FDA - to me thats just ignorant, they are the government, If you think the government actually has your best interest at heart then we have nothing to say. I work for a government agency myself and I tell you they are the most demoralizing and corrupt organization. We are a country in debt because of this, I even think of my back surgeries that I have written about that have enabled me to perform at a superhuman level - and hell my procedure was NOT apporved by the FDA, those assholes that insist that they only have FDA methods are the ones still in pain, using canes, meanwhile my no FDA approved procedure I can leap tall buldings, stop moving trains LOL - all joking aside- no limits at 45- not tooting my horn - for those clowns that dont get where Im going, just making a point. I always err on the side of safety and caution, everything in moderation etc use the least amount needed until it dont work, but I never buy into when people need to see research , however I too wold definately be interested in seeing the research as well. Personally I believe in that mega doses of certiain nutrients can be appropropriate at times, I think the health food industry is way out of hand only because they are so overpriced. They prey on a naive , ignorant pop culture that bases all their ideas on minimal knowledge
 
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Good article.I too feel that too many feel the need for supp's when you can achieve much of the anti oxidants through diet.Here's a list of foods with the best anti oxidant profiles....

Antioxidant Vitamins

Vitamin E: nuts and seeds, avocados, olive/safflower/sunflower oils, wheat germ, liver, leafy green vegetables.

Vitamin C: (aka ascorbic acid): citrus fruits, green peppers, broccoli, green leafy vegetables, strawberries, tomatoes, cantaloupe, potatoes.

Vitamin A: Beta-Carotene and carotenoids: orange/green/yellow vegetables and fruits such as squash, cantaloupe, mango, papaya, pumpkin, green leafy vegetables.

Selenium: seafood, red meat, pork, chicken, wheat bread, eggs, chicken, garlic


Other Antioxidants and Phytochemicals

Flavonoids / polyphenols: (such as anthocyanins, resveratrol, quercitin, and catechins): red wine, purple grapes, blueberries, cranberries, pomegranate, cranberries, tea.

Lycopene: Tomato and tomato products, pink grapefruit, watermelon

Lutein: dark green leafy vegetables

Lignan: flax seed and other seeds, oatmeal

Phytic Acid: Whole grains, beans

Interestingly, beans, potatoes, and pecans rank amongst the top 20. Red wine, blueberries, green tea, and dark chocolate have been long-touted as the kings of powerful antioxidant content, but many other foods also have extremely high antioxidant capabilities.

Overall great sources of antioxidants

Red Wine and red grapes
Green Tea and other teas
Coffee
Different types of berries: blueberries, blackberries, raspberries, strawberries, cranberries, etc.
Tomatoes
Spinach, kale, brussel sprouts
Potatoes
All types of fruits and vegetables
Acai
High Cocao content chocolate, in particular dark chocolate
Beans
Flax seeds and other types of seeds
Nuts
Whole grains
Garlic
A variety of spices such as cinnamon, cloves, oregano, and turmeric

Spices tend to have very high antioxidant content compared to whole foods (even higher than blueberries, acai, or red wine). Antioxidant content in foods is measured by ORAC score (Oxygen Radical Absorbance Capacity).


There are tons of delicious sources of antioxidants. There’s no reason to spend a lot of money on expensive antioxidant supplements or pills. Every day try to choose as many foods as possible with high antioxidant content. Grab an orange as a healthy snack, sip a cup of green tea or coffee in the morning before work or school, or just sprinkle some blueberries and cinnamon on a big bowl of oatmeal. The possibilities are endless, get creative with it!





 
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Very very interesting, I agree that supp companies are full of shit and over priced, but I dont think studies are to be the measure of all, studies can be flawed, they can be biased, there are other cultures that have many homepathic type approaches that have been used before our civilization even existed that we care not about testing, to me I do look at tests results , Im not saying there is no validity, but Many of us have lived a long time doing and studying things that many dont comprehend and studies may not be the vehicle to bridge that gap. While I use my doctor quite frequently yes I get the flu shots ect ect, I believe that vitamins , minerals and even herbs are shortchanged by the narrow view point that if they arent studies then they are no good, I think of how the eastern medicines use energy meridians for decades were thought to be mumbo jumbo and now recently they use electic sensors to measure activity where the so called meridians are located on the body, so chi gong type exercises , accupncture, internal martial arts all use this type of energy to live, to feel energy to heal and to kill- western science cant undestand because we cant use our ideas to measure it, their society existed like thousands of years before the roman empire . Many methods wer handed down by word of mouth, I think of aruvedic medicine the same way and yoga is like the chi gong - Tai chi is sort of related to chi gong as is the martial arts of Pa Kua , Hsing -yi etc etc, the japanese have thiers , the filipinos have theirs- they use all kinds of foods and herbal concoctions that have worked, they actually have never been wanting to share with us, since we dropped that atom bomb on thier neighbors at hiroshima - I laugh when some of my ignnorant fat obese co workers who dont believe in being in shape say they wont use anything unless approved by the FDA - to me thats just ignorant, they are the government, If you think the government actually has your best interest at heart then we have nothing to say. I work for a government agency myself and I tell you they are the most demoralizing and corrupt organization. We are a country in debt because of this, I even think of my back surgeries that I have written about that have enabled me to perform at a superhuman level - and hell my procedure was NOT apporved by the FDA, those assholes that insist that they only have FDA methods are the ones still in pain, using canes, meanwhile my no FDA approved procedure I can leap tall buldings, stop moving trains LOL - all joking aside- no limits at 45- not tooting my horn - for those clowns that dont get where Im going, just making a point. I always err on the side of safety and caution, everything in moderation etc use the least amount needed until it dont work, but I never buy into when people need to see research , however I too wold definately be interested in seeing the research as well. Personally I believe in that mega doses of certiain nutrients can be appropropriate at times, I think the health food industry is way out of hand only because they are so overpriced. They prey on a naive , ignorant pop culture that bases all their ideas on minimal knowledge

Good points as always Ketsugo with one exception IMO. I don't fully agree about homeopathic remedies from ancient cultures... Modern medicine, sanitation and vaccinations are what have extended our lifetimes. Oddly, our longevity has brought on any number of chronic illnesses which have opened the doors to scumbag supplement companies and drug manufacturing types which in turn bolstered the Fucking Dumb Agency (FDA).
 

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Well now I have somthin to read this evenin, Some interesting points made in there.
Be interesting to see what NutNut has to say about some of this.
 
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I'll stick with antioxidants until more studies come out proving that they may be bad. Good read tho
 
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Whoa! My head. I gotta print that puppy out goldy!
 
tilltheend

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I do not believe anti-oxidants are not good for you at all. I just wanted to say my opinion, which will probably get overlooked anyways =P
 
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I agree with that fact that supp companies are pretty much full of shit, but I do feel antioxidants from a natural source as FIST posted are god for us. Unfortunately I will admit it's sometimes easier for me to use supps then eat properly. I will continue to fight this one.

Thanks Goldy.

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