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Making a Murderer

mugzy

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I was in Manitowoc, WI last week on business and was asked what I thought about the Avery case. I knew nothing about it and was filled in by a local manager in a restaurant as well as given a few extra details and told I could find more on Netflix. When I got home I proceeded to find and watch all of them.

Wow how did I not read about this. I have no opinion as to his guilt ... 50/50 I suppose. What are your thoughts on making a murderer?
 
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This guy wrote this on face book. Makes a lot of sense. And that cop screwed up big time calling in the license plate when he found the car. The her bother and ex boyfriend sent that lady to the salvage yard with a camera. They knew that car was there.

Ok read this.

...The police didn't kill Theresa Halbach. Andrew Colborn located that RAV4 with the assistance of Mike Halbach and Ryan Hillegas who illegally trespassed onto the Avery Salvage Yard on the night of November 3rd 2005. Mike Halbach and Ryan Hillegas suspected something was up since the Avery Salvage Yard was the last place they knew Theresa visited on October 31, Halloween day. They went snooping on the property and found the car. They checked the car and found the key in the ignition and blood in the cargo area. Mike or Ryan removed the key from the ignition to ensure that no one could easily move the car off of the Avery property... freaked out about this huge discovery they call the Manitowoc Sheriffs Department. Andrew Colborn fielded the call that night and went out and met Ryan and Mike at the Salvage Yard so he could view the car for himself. Ryan and Mike show him the car and to be certain its Halbachs he "calls" in the plate number to dispatch. Colborn has to "call-in" instead of "radio-in" the plate number to Manitowoc dispatch because he wasn't in his police cruiser at the moment, but rather on foot and in the "field' on the Avery Salvage property. This mistake places Colborn at the scene and in contact with Halbachs RAV4 two days before it is officially located on November 5th, 2005, by Pam Sturm.


This is problematic for Colborn because all call and radio transmissions to dispatch are recorded and logged onto the Manitowoc Police server. Andrew Colborn is now operating outside of police protocol at a potential crime scene that he has no official directive to be at. He tells Mike Halbach and Ryan Hillegas to basically keep quiet about what they found and not mention to anyone that they were ever on the Avery Salvage property that night. Ryan or Mike turns the RAV4 key over to Andrew Colborn. Mike and Ryan are told to go home. Andrew Colborn then immediately calls Lt. James Lenk and briefs him about the discovery of the Halbach car and breaches of protocol he committed on the Avery property, also about Ryan Hillegas and Mike Halbach being there. Lt James Lenk realizing that Colborn's calling in Halbachs plate is a serious mistake with potential consequences orders Andrew Colborn to remove the license plate from Halbach's car and then report to him immediately.


What James Lenk and Andrew Colborn, or the others for that matter, don't realize at this point and are completely unaware of is that Bobby Dassey and Scott Tadych have kidnapped, raped, shot and then burned Theresa Halbach in the privacy of the gravel quarry off of Jambo road on Halloween evening. They choose to burn her body to dispose of their DNA evidence of the crimes. They hid Halbach's car in the rear of Avery Salvage and wiped it clean of their prints. I believe it is Scott Tadych's idea to secretly transport the cremains of Halbach from the gravel quarry and dispose them into Steven Avery's burn pit. Scott Tadych transports Halbach's cremains in secret by using one of Barb Jandas burn barrels from her yard. Scott Tadych fails to collect all of Halbach's cremains from the original burn site in the gravel quarry, thus leaving some behind that FBI investigators later find... but he also fails in making certain all of Halbach's cremains are out of Barb Jandas burn barrel after dumping them into Steven Avery's burn pit. This is why investigators found small bits of Halbach in Barb Jandas burn barrel. Thus making a total of three sites where Halbach's cremains are found. Scott Tadych and Bobby Dassey are unaware that Ryan Hillegas and Mike Halbach have found Theresas car on the property and that Lenk and Colborn are now involved and in play with their scheme.


By shear colossal luck, two completely independent frame jobs targeting one man, Steven Avery were shaping up into the perfect storm. On one front, from Lenk and Colborn regarding the RAV4, and on the other unconnected front by Scott Tadych and Bobby Dassey regarding the cremains of Theresa Halbach. One party wasn't aware of the other's involvements at any point during the days leading up to the official discovery of Halbach's RAV4 at the Avery Salvage Yard hence why the investigation and murder trial made zero sense to anyone especially the Jury.


None of the evidence could be connected because it was all unrelated -- everybody was guessing. But Buting and Strang had zeroed in on a part of it but couldn't fully form a solid defense to prove it. The Jury couldn't conceive that Manitowoc officers could have conspired to kill Theresa Halbach to frame Steven Avery as Ken Kratz insisted they had to if they wanted to follow the theory the defense presented of the frame up of Steven Avery by Manitowoc officials. And Ken Kratz was right. Imagine Scott Tadych's confused and utter relief when Steve Avery's blood was found in the Halbach car and the RAV4 key found in Steve Avery's bedroom. He must have been like WTF?!


A quote from Scott Tadych after Steven Avery is convicted of Theresa Halbach's murder: "THIS IS THE GREATEST THING TO EVER HAPPEN." We will see Scott, we will see........."


This is probably the most credible theory I have come across so far. Notice how the events here not only make logical sense, but they also line up with how many of the parties involved behaved during the documentary. For example, how Mike Halbach and Ryan Hillegas seemed like they knew more about what happened than they were leading on. As well as Scott Tadych and Bobby Dassey's bizarre hostility towards Steven Avery.


I can't see another theory topping this one
 
Lizard King

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Planned on watching it this week, knew nothing of it until it was released on Netflix.
 
Davedlmt

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Wow. I watched it last week and That's probably the best explanation I've heard. Really makes a lot of sense with how all those parties acted.
 
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I agree with this totally. And heart is broken for Brendan Dassey!
 
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Mike Halbach and Ryan Hillegas should have charges brought against them!
 
myosaurus

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watched it. was disappointed with it. felt a sleep waiting for something big to pop up... now my wife wont watch anything my friends in real life or BB board recommend..
 
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Joe McCarthy, Ed Gein, Jeffrey Dahmer, Scott Walker, and now this guy, all from Wisconsin.

something in the cheese?
 
Lizard King

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Just caught the first two episodes, pretty good so far, they really fcuked him over good in the first episode. Had I not read the above, I wouldn't think more was in store for this poor bastard.
 
Warhead14

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I personally had no idea white trash like existed outside of the south. The world would only be a better place without inbred booger eating hillbillies like that. Nuke the cities and starve these folks out. We have too many surplus humans in this country.
 
IronCore

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I personally had no idea white trash like existed outside of the south. The world would only be a better place without inbred booger eating hillbillies like that. Nuke the cities and starve these folks out. We have too many surplus humans in this country.
i smell a racist
 
any1uno

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I watched the whole series. Amazing and hard to wrap my brain around. Coincidence..hard to say. I do question why the nephew confessed making the statements he made about his involvement then recanted. Scared..possibly but, he really didn't act it. Although, honestly felt bad for him since he didn't seem to grasp the reality of the charges he was facing.

I haven't heard of the above information. And it would make sense that someone may of planted the key especially since it appears that Colborn took the keys and the license plate with him. The blood found in the vehicle really could be pointed back to the puncture in the vial of blood they pointed out in the documentary. It does ring setup but why? I don't believe the police killed her but do feel they were trying to cover something up. I'd like to see more of the information posted above and referenced. And wonder why this wasn't included in the documentary as well.

Still...not 100% sold on his innocence either but...this does stink!
 
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