TexSon
MuscleHead
- Feb 15, 2013
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Got asked about this in a PM and decided to start a thread as reply so that others could benefit from the answer, and, so that people who are more knowledgeable than myself can add their thoughts on the matter.
The following reply makes the assumption that you are not normally prone to PIP and the injection was good - not inadvertently sloppy, causing injury to the muscle or the injected solution to ball up and not disperse correctly.
PIP from homebrews can happen for a few different reasons:
1) substandard ingredients - the powder, BA, BB or carrier can be bad or contaminated and cause problems.
2) incorrect brewing. some people think they got the percentages correct when in all actuality, they did not.
3) high hormone concentrations - either deliberate or accidental. pushing the carrier too far can cause gear to crash in the muscle - especially once the BB dessipitates. with GSO, cottonseed and safflower, 200mg should be the limit. Especially with cypionate which is notorious for wanting to jump back out of the carrier at 200+mg concentrations.
if you are brewing high concentration gear and have never pinned it before (the denser concentrations), you could be reacting to the hormone density. some people simply don't fair well with higher concentrations.
4) the carrier. maybe you are using EO for the first time - to perhaps get a higher concentration. A lot of people react badly to EO.
5) BA content. perhaps you are use to using 2% solutions and brewed a higher BA content - either deliberately or accidentally. Aside from the proprionate ester, which is painful for most people because of the propionic acid itself, most PIP is either from bad injects or BA content....or, that's been my experience anyway. A lot of people find 5% BA gear painful.
A note about BA and BB. Both are solvents and both aid in maintaining gear sterility - BA, while still in the vial, and BB, once injected. However, BB serves a secondary and more important function. It acts to molecularly bind the hormone to the carrier. So, it stands to reason that if the BB is bad to begin with, or the percentage is too low, the gear will be prone to crashing - period, but even if it stays dissolved in the vial, it stands a better than normal chance of crashing in the muscle, and the formula that applies to the scenario is:
muscle + crashed gear = PIP.
Solutions
If you have a homebrew that is causing excessive PIP, there are a few things you might try.
1) increase the BB content. I know of several people that simply add more BB without concern regarding modifying the hormone mg/ml percentage.
if you are going to go this route, I would suggest making a mixture of both BA and BB at the correct ratios and then adding it to the problematic gear. You will lower the mg/ml content, but for me, that just means pulling the plunger back a little further.
2) cut the solution with something else. One thing I have done in the past is to add a cc of b-12. This is something I learned from some vets whom I trust in all things gear related. And, it helps significantly. If you are going to go this route, I suggest putting the vial on a coffee hot plate and heat it up. Add the b-12, shake vigorously and inject while still warm and thin. It looks pretty funky - like a 70's lava lamp, but is better than dealing with the PIP.
3) try heating the gear first and then injecting more slowly, thoroughly massaging the injection area afterwards. The standard rule of thumb is a cc per minute injection rate, but aside from me, I really don't know many folk that practice it.
anyway, that is my take on the matter. surely some others with better advice will chime in and add their .02.
and the sad thing.....this should have been a thread shine started.
The following reply makes the assumption that you are not normally prone to PIP and the injection was good - not inadvertently sloppy, causing injury to the muscle or the injected solution to ball up and not disperse correctly.
PIP from homebrews can happen for a few different reasons:
1) substandard ingredients - the powder, BA, BB or carrier can be bad or contaminated and cause problems.
2) incorrect brewing. some people think they got the percentages correct when in all actuality, they did not.
3) high hormone concentrations - either deliberate or accidental. pushing the carrier too far can cause gear to crash in the muscle - especially once the BB dessipitates. with GSO, cottonseed and safflower, 200mg should be the limit. Especially with cypionate which is notorious for wanting to jump back out of the carrier at 200+mg concentrations.
if you are brewing high concentration gear and have never pinned it before (the denser concentrations), you could be reacting to the hormone density. some people simply don't fair well with higher concentrations.
4) the carrier. maybe you are using EO for the first time - to perhaps get a higher concentration. A lot of people react badly to EO.
5) BA content. perhaps you are use to using 2% solutions and brewed a higher BA content - either deliberately or accidentally. Aside from the proprionate ester, which is painful for most people because of the propionic acid itself, most PIP is either from bad injects or BA content....or, that's been my experience anyway. A lot of people find 5% BA gear painful.
A note about BA and BB. Both are solvents and both aid in maintaining gear sterility - BA, while still in the vial, and BB, once injected. However, BB serves a secondary and more important function. It acts to molecularly bind the hormone to the carrier. So, it stands to reason that if the BB is bad to begin with, or the percentage is too low, the gear will be prone to crashing - period, but even if it stays dissolved in the vial, it stands a better than normal chance of crashing in the muscle, and the formula that applies to the scenario is:
muscle + crashed gear = PIP.
Solutions
If you have a homebrew that is causing excessive PIP, there are a few things you might try.
1) increase the BB content. I know of several people that simply add more BB without concern regarding modifying the hormone mg/ml percentage.
if you are going to go this route, I would suggest making a mixture of both BA and BB at the correct ratios and then adding it to the problematic gear. You will lower the mg/ml content, but for me, that just means pulling the plunger back a little further.
2) cut the solution with something else. One thing I have done in the past is to add a cc of b-12. This is something I learned from some vets whom I trust in all things gear related. And, it helps significantly. If you are going to go this route, I suggest putting the vial on a coffee hot plate and heat it up. Add the b-12, shake vigorously and inject while still warm and thin. It looks pretty funky - like a 70's lava lamp, but is better than dealing with the PIP.
3) try heating the gear first and then injecting more slowly, thoroughly massaging the injection area afterwards. The standard rule of thumb is a cc per minute injection rate, but aside from me, I really don't know many folk that practice it.
anyway, that is my take on the matter. surely some others with better advice will chime in and add their .02.
and the sad thing.....this should have been a thread shine started.
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