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14 years old! Are you kidding me? She'll make a lot of guys go to hell for their thoughts!

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This is a shame, way to young, and no morals in her or her parents. I don't remember, but is she even in High school yet? I don't think so, and I think there should be a law that you need to be at least 18 and out of school before they do anything like that... Wait it is socialist Europe after all..... there should be some better ground rules

But never would I allow that. Every day this world become more fucked up than the day before, what will tomorrow bring.....
 
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To be fair, she may be coming from an environment where a family member competes and she's been an athlete her whole life, so depending on your context, it may not be a huge extension to go on stage. There are also some really quality Bikini competitors out there. I don't like the freedom that the sport has to go in the negative direction. Because Bikini is new & still fairly wide open, it doesn't have a lot of the things in place such as consideration about age, etc. I think what drives me nuts is that there are guidelines in place & have been in place for years w/ the federation, and should be applied to any category, regardless. Everyone is acting like these new categories are completely new & uncharted territory. Frankly I think the winner looks very decent for that category, I just don't think she ever should've made it up there in the first place.
 
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If we can get past the age and try to look at the individual in the pic them we can understand why she is onstage. 1st her body is very mature for that of a 15 yro. 2nd for her to have achieved that level of expertise as well as developement, what does that say about her mental faculties. As for her parents, they know their daughter and they know what she is mentally capable of handling, YOU DON"T!!! So if we can all just look at her as an artist; as we all try to be with our bodies and FUCKING JUST GIVE CREDIT WHERE IT IS DUE!!! Then all these Puritanical bullshit morals & values that seem to be clouding our artistic view of the presentation can be alleviated and we can all say...."way to go girl" what a phenom for her age.

You all sound like the dumb asses that say, "Lets get rid of all guns becoz guns kill", when we all know that guns cant kill unless the assholes that use them improperly/unwarrentedly....LOOK AT THIS AS simply an artistic endeavor to be appreciated and leave the bullshit comments to the side...POOOOOOLEEEEZE and then we can enjoy the presentation of a soon to be recognized young and up comming Figure Artist
 
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You all sound like the dumb asses that say, "Lets get rid of all guns becoz guns kill", when we all know that guns cant kill unless the assholes that use them improperly/unwarrentedly....LOOK AT THIS AS simply an artistic endeavor to be appreciated and leave the bullshit comments to the side...POOOOOOLEEEEZE and then we can enjoy the presentation of a soon to be recognized young and up comming Figure Artist

We all sound like dumb asses? Before making a generalization you may wish to read each post. BTW it is obvious her body hasn't matured yet not sure what you mean by her having a very mature body.
 

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We all sound like dumb asses? Before making a generalization you may wish to read each post. BTW it is obvious her body hasn't matured yet not sure what you mean by her having a very mature body.

:mad: Exactly what I was thinking to.
 
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I would like to retract the generalization of calling all DUMB ASSES....There is actually some here with an open mind and they are Sassy69/DLT. Unfortunately I didn't get to read either of their post before I posted since I was @ work when I tried to write my rebut & when I did post it and read theirs it was too late, so I respectfully say to Sassy69/DLT you are both looking at the BIG PIC with an open mind that is not only refreshing but appealing to me..bravo,here here, I commend you both!!!

Now to get to the call out as to me not reading the post by "VIP DUDE" . After reading the few comments and seeing that it was all moralistic bullshit and nothing to do with artistic I wanted to interject right away and try to open the eyes of the blind so that they might be able to see a young brilliant star that was about to shine.

I now can say to you VIP DUDE that if you would clear the obstacle called stupidity in your eye then you would see I made a "contextual statement" about her body being mature and qualified it by saying, FOR THAT OF A 15 YRO!!! Yes go back and re-read the "1st" point made that would substantiate that. Hope that clarifies what I meant by "having a mature body" and then when put in context with the fact she is 15 yrs old and compare her body "to other 15 yr old females" I hope you might better assist you in grasping my point.

I want to use a real life analogous story that made fools out of a lot of others as it seems to be doing here with this story about another young woman that was also 14 yro. Her name is Jody Foster. She made a film called Taxi and played a young prostitute but that was back in the 70's and the same bullshit was said on the psychological ramifications that it would have on her. Well guess she put that shit to shame since not only did she grow up to be a successful director/producer but the same role gave an Academy Nomination for best supporting actress..oh did I mention she is an academy award winner, oops..or did I mention that she a an Ivy League Grad from Yale no less. enough said about that.

Let me really tell you why, it really pissed me off, that everybody was so fucking hooked on her age that they completely overlooked what an awesome young woman is standing in that pic with the confidence and poise of all the other fucking adults. Look at my Avatar on my page and you will see my now 25 yro wife that I married when she was 21. I too had that closed minded stupidity when she first walked up to me and started to sweep me off my feet. I simply laughed at her until she looked me dead in the eye and told me, "Yeah I know you just think I am some little girl but I am not like the others of my age". I then told her to explain herself until she advised me that it would take several lifetimes to do so but that if I would just get to know her and if in fact she did not add up to what she claimed that the only thing that I would waste was time but it would not have been all that bad because I would benefit from experiencing some really great young ass. Well not only did my mouth almost drop to the floor but I found it really challenging that a female that confident would say that about herself. Well the rest is histo because I am still married to her and there is never a dull moment in bed or out. BTW she has a Phd in Electrical Engineering @ 25 yrs old. Yes that is my own personal experience with the youth of our "New Brave World". They are a lot more mature and ambitious than when I was growing up but look at the complex world we live in and that might explain why this girl as well as my wife and numerous others don't get the recognition they deserve. Yes it is sad to say you only hear of the MTV Girls Gone Wild crowd

ooh, BTW don't judge this book by the cover either. I am sure by now you can tell I just didn't fall off the Tamale Wagon....Naw man I read all this on a bubble gum wrapper while falling off the Turnip Truck;)
 
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SHINE

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ooh, BTW don't judge this book by the cover either. I am sure by now you can tell I just didn't fall off the Tamale Wagon....Naw man I read all this on a bubble gum wrapper while falling off the Turnip Truck;)

Never seen the cover of your book and don't care to read it either, Turnip Truck ? would of have never guessed that one.

Your book seems to have a couple good pages in it looks like, man enuff to apologize to some.
 
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Hey Shine, my kind of book can only be understood by few even when read by multitudes!! I am sure you fit in there somewhere.....BTW "apologize" not the way you spelled it. Cant write it that way, heard my 5th Grade Teacher in the back of my head:). one more thing..A CHRISTMAS PRESENT THAT YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO UNTIE:) JUST CLICK ON THE LINK Apologise - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
 

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<:p better start *Uzein* spell check , edited that for ya . Maybe that will help your 5th grade teacher flash back no?

Your on the radar now >:)


;)
 
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NutNut

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My name would be NutNut not "VIP DUDE" and calling me stupid will not win you any points here. No matter the context her body is not "mature"

adjective

1.complete in natural growth or development, as plant and animal forms: a mature rose bush.
2.ripe, as fruit, or fully aged, as cheese or wine.
3.fully developed in body or mind, as a person: a mature woman.
4.pertaining to or characteristic of full development: a mature appearance; fruit with a mature softness.
5.completed, perfected, or elaborated in full by the mind: mature plans.

Don't try to argue the "for a 15 year old angle, by those standards you could say that about any teen competitor or even a recreational lifter.

she is not fully developed as a woman or a competitor, as well as she has done she has a long way to go before anyone with experience would call that a matured body but I understand you don't like the mistakes you make pointed out and in turn make insults. Maybe you missed the posts by DC, OW and myself, maybe you just don't like me...either way I'm rather happy not to insult you as you have me.
 
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To keep this within the context of a competition, there are a few stand-out cases of young competitors going places - among them a recent one that comes to mind is Ariel Khadr who won her pro card in Fitness a year or two ago at age 17. However keep in mind that there are only a handful of fitness competitors within the NPC these days. "Fitness" always seemed to me as a place for former HS / College gymnasts to take their skills, but once you get older, it just gets harder. Adela Garcia is a mega-repeat IFBB Ms Fitness Olympia winner - but again, there just aren't that many competitors to begin with.

Another young winner I recall was Listy Allen who won her pro card at the 2009 USAs (I remember cuz I was there) at age 21 and everyone was commenting about how incredibly young she looked and did she really deserve it?

So you see that the whole "young" thing is a bit controversial, particuarly in the categories OTHER than BB, because there is an already long-standing Teen cateogory to accommodate these competitors. There was a 13 yr old kid who competed in my same show in Atlanta in 2005. Definitely genetically-gifted - he is currently ranked among the top 2 or 3 HS / college athletes in wrestling & football. He stood out but no one raised a stink about his age. In the new women's categories, there has not been consideration of younger competitors - i.e. no teen category, why I don't know, I guess because they haven't really come up before. Generally we assume Physique competition requires some amount of muscle maturity, so generally don't consider it the realm of very young people. The other issue that has been on the sidelines of the women's categories, particularly Bikini, is the opportunity for overtly sexual presentation. I think I mentioned above that I basically walked out of the first local show I attended w/ the new Bikini category because of the near stripper show on stage and the cat calls from the audience. So yea, it already has pushed competitions towards the sex side, where traditionally BB shows have actually been distinctly NOT sexual and very family-audience oriented. The potential to slide down the slippery slope is there and I'd rather see a distinct line drawn now to keep the integrity of the "sport" vs let it continue based on whatever the hell happens.

So regardless of this particular competitor, I personally don't think Physique shows are where people under at least 16 should be, and my preference would be min 18. Otherwise create a Teen category. The precedents for so many of the things I don't like about the new categories have already been in place in the NPC for at least the last 30 yrs. Why do they not apply now? JMHO.
 

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Yea they need to just create a teen category and IMO at least 16.
 
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