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tommyguns2

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There is no real deal. This is just more BS promises that will never materialize like every other promise Trump makes. The only thing Trump seems capable of doing is screwing over the working class and giving the futures of the working class away to his billionaire pedo buddies in the form of billionaire tax cuts.
We shall see. Both of us can say whatever, but time will tell the real tale. My money is on the U.S., now that we're not shackling ourselves with crazy, asymmetric trade relationships.

This trade deal with the EU is going to further isolate Russia. All that energy purchased from the U.S. is not going to be purchased elsewhere (i.e., Russia). Russia overplayed its hand in Ukraine, and can't seem to extricate itself from that shitshow. I mean, sure they could simply withdraw and go home, but that would be the end of Putin, and that can't happen.

But as Russia's heavily leveraged energy economy continues to suffer, Putin's end might be closer than anyone thinks. If I were him, I'd have a food-taster to have the first bite of each of my meals, and would avoid walking past any upper floor windows.
 
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Wait, wait, wait... I just read the fine print on this "trade deal." It is not even ratified! It is a framework of a deal. A proposal.

I wonder if this was known by those touting this deal? Because it is very dubious to tout a "deal" that is not even a deal yet. Neither side's legislative body has even made their adjustments and voted yet! This is a mere framework of a proposed deal being considered..

Shame on me for assuming this was being argued in good faith. I need to be more suspicious of other's motives. Ugh,
EU countries can sign on to the 15% tariffs, or take the 30% tariffs that get imposed on 8/1. The days of free trade into the US by the EU, while simultaneously closing their markets to US goods is over. The increased competition over time will actually be good for EU.
 
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Cutting off the penises of little boys and slicing off the breasts of little girls (and giving those children steroids to change their sex) is "gender affirming care" according to democrats.

Are these doctors and parents baby mutilators? Consistency.
 
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Cutting off the penises of little boys and slicing off the breasts of little girls (and giving those children steroids to change their sex) is "gender affirming care" according to democrats.

Are these doctors and parents baby mutilators? Consistency.
I'm no democrap lol and yes it is !
 
Yano

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Cutting off the penises of little boys and slicing off the breasts of little girls (and giving those children steroids to change their sex) is "gender affirming care" according to democrats.

Are these doctors and parents baby mutilators? Consistency.
An just to go a little further into this. While I don't agree with underage mutilations and surgeries , I don't have a problem with gender affirming care.

We ALL suffer body dysmorphia , that's why we do what we do and lift and workout. Dysmorphia can be a crushing weight as an adult to carry so I have no issue with people under 18 receiving counseling and such for it.

Not counseling to change them but to deal with their issues and mental struggles until they are old enough to make a proper legal life changing decision on their own.

Kids do not belong on gear , don't need surgeries. You want to play dress up that's fine until your 18 or legally able to do something but until then you're stuck with what the good Lord gave ya.

Have I had to deal with this , yeah I got a 5 yr old grand son that threw a fit because no one would buy him the yellow sun dress he wanted.

"I just want to be pretty like Mommy."
 
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Trump secures new trade deal with the EU. Looks like the only big trading partner left is India. Obviously, some other countries like Brazil are open, but the big dogs have been secured. Trump, the moron, has moved us way closer to fair trade than where we were before. He just keeps winning.

In the deal, the EU agrees to purchase $750 Billion in US energy. That's good -paying working-class jobs. Also opens EU markets for US goods.

Explain how the American people paying 15% more to the American government for good imported from Europe is winning?
 
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Explain how the American people paying 15% more to the American government for good imported from Europe is winning?
If a EU company selling into the US has to pay a 15% tariff, they have several choices: (1) add 15% to the price and make the US consumer pay it, (2) absorb all or some percentage of the tariff in reduced margins, or (3) make that product in the US, thus avoiding the tariffs.

Option (1) is the only option your answer considers. What happens then? That product is less competitive on price, and the EU seller risks losing market share. They may still choose to do that, but they likely opt for (2) or (3), where in (2) they try to gauge the magic balance between cost/margin/market share, and (3) the loss in margin is enough that it warrants them making that product in the US.

In option (1), if the EU supplier chooses to jack up their prices and they lose that sale, the consumer is likely still making a purchase, but instead buys a US product.

In addition, the US got access to EU markets, which were completely closed for various markets of goods.

This new deal is a better deal than the old one, in my opinion. Also, forcing the EU to be more competitive to good for everyone, the US and the EU.
 
Yano

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If a EU company selling into the US has to pay a 15% tariff, they have several choices: (1) add 15% to the price and make the US consumer pay it, (2) absorb all or some percentage of the tariff in reduced margins, or (3) make that product in the US, thus avoiding the tariffs.

Option (1) is the only option your answer considers. What happens then? That product is less competitive on price, and the EU seller risks losing market share. They may still choose to do that, but they likely opt for (2) or (3), where in (2) they try to gauge the magic balance between cost/margin/market share, and (3) the loss in margin is enough that it warrants them making that product in the US.

In option (1), if the EU supplier chooses to jack up their prices and they lose that sale, the consumer is likely still making a purchase, but instead buys a US product.

In addition, the US got access to EU markets, which were completely closed for various markets of goods.

This new deal is a better deal than the old one, in my opinion. Also, forcing the EU to be more competitive to good for everyone, the US and the EU.
Nonsense, the American consumer gets fucked again , Trump and his buddies make money and that's all that will happen.
 
tommyguns2

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Nonsense, the American consumer gets fucked again , Trump and his buddies make money and that's all that will happen.
So, what you're saying is that EU CEOs see a cost increase, not unlike other cost increases such as raw materials, labor costs, currently fluctuations, etc., and instead of considering how best to reduce or absorb such costs simply says "nonsense" F the American consumer! OK. That makes sense.
 
Yano

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So, what you're saying is that EU CEOs see a cost increase, not unlike other cost increases such as raw materials, labor costs, currently fluctuations, etc., and instead of considering how best to reduce or absorb such costs simply says "nonsense" F the American consumer! OK. That makes sense.
I dont see how any of this helps the average American one bit .. none of it.
 
MorganKane

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If a EU company selling into the US has to pay a 15% tariff, they have several choices: (1) add 15% to the price and make the US consumer pay it, (2) absorb all or some percentage of the tariff in reduced margins, or (3) make that product in the US, thus avoiding the tariffs.

Option (1) is the only option your answer considers. What happens then? That product is less competitive on price, and the EU seller risks losing market share. They may still choose to do that, but they likely opt for (2) or (3), where in (2) they try to gauge the magic balance between cost/margin/market share, and (3) the loss in margin is enough that it warrants them making that product in the US.

In option (1), if the EU supplier chooses to jack up their prices and they lose that sale, the consumer is likely still making a purchase, but instead buys a US product.

In addition, the US got access to EU markets, which were completely closed for various markets of goods.

This new deal is a better deal than the old one, in my opinion. Also, forcing the EU to be more competitive to good for everyone, the US and the EU.
Totally bullshit and also ignorant.

Its like you are totally clueless on how tariffs works. This tariff deal sucks for us the citizens.

1. Is what will happen in most cases. We are paying more.
2. will happen in some cases but it negatively impact the US consumer. We are paying more.
3. Will most likely not happen but even if it does we will be paying more. If this was a good option we would already be doing this.

The EU didnt block us from selling anything there, we already had access to those markets.

Tariffs are bad for trade. There are really no economist that supports tariffs. The evidence against its is strong.



 
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