Statin is killing my joints.

[Glycomann]

If you ere being poisoned with arsenic would you just switch brands?

 

[Bobby Cole]

If you're concerned with cholesterol levels, which I'm not sure we even should be, look into Niacin and cholesterol research. 1500mg a day has been shown to be more effective at raising HDL and balancing cholesterol levels than statins, it comes with a ton of other positive benefits and aside from the flushing effect, that you will be a tolerance to, there is little evidence to support unwanted effects.

I just moved my dosage up to 500mg yesterday and since I mix it with my workout and post workout brew, I rarely feel the flush.
Note: That said, I believe the recommendation is to take the higher dosages of 1000-2000 mg at bedtime and with something on one’s stomach.

Taking niacin just makes sense to me. If it does nothing else but to clean and expand the capillaries and by doing that my muscles get more oxygen whilst working out, it’s worth every dime I spend on it.

 

[Bobby Cole]

If you're concerned with cholesterol levels, which I'm not sure we even should be, look into Niacin and cholesterol research. 1500mg a day has been shown to be more effective at raising HDL and balancing cholesterol levels than statins, it comes with a ton of other positive benefits and aside from the flushing effect, that you will be a tolerance to, there is little evidence to support unwanted effects.

I just moved my dosage up to 500mg yesterday and since I mix it with my workout and post workout brew, I rarely feel the flush.
Note: That said, I believe the recommendation is to take the higher dosages of 1000-2000 mg at bedtime and with something on one’s stomach.

Taking niacin just makes sense to me. If it does nothing else but to clean and expand the capillaries and by doing that my muscles get more oxygen whilst working out, it’s worth every dime I spend on it.
And….just to stay on topic, it is as I wrote earlier, a very good HDL booster.

 

[Bobby Cole]

 

[Lurch]

It is my understanding that only embryonic stem cells are banned but not in every state in the U.S. Some states actually support the use.

Still, no matter what state a person lives in, blood stem cells can be harvested from one’s own or a donor’s bone marrow.

Yes, even though they now, from my understanding, have the ability to "clone" embryonic cells. The idea that all stem cells are equal is not the case from what I understand either. Harvesting them from your own bone marrow is now being used in things like cancer, and covered by insurance partly, in some cases. However, you take stem cells from the bone marrow of someone who has cancer and has just done 2 years of chemo and radiation, are those stem cells going to be as good? Does that sound like a good idea as opposed to some fresh embryonic stem cells?

I just moved my dosage up to 500mg yesterday and since I mix it with my workout and post workout brew, I rarely feel the flush.
Note: That said, I believe the recommendation is to take the higher dosages of 1000-2000 mg at bedtime and with something on one’s stomach.

Taking niacin just makes sense to me. If it does nothing else but to clean and expand the capillaries and by doing that my muscles get more oxygen whilst working out, it’s worth every dime I spend on it.
And….just to stay on topic, it is as I wrote earlier, a very good HDL booster.

Yes, that is recommend and what I tend to do. Higher doses in the evening with some food in me still if possible, but that is not a requirement. For those that want to look into it further look into the research of Abram Hoffer. He was reversing schizophrenia with doses of 3000mg's and up. Let alone raising HDL with doses around 1500mg's. Vitamins make a lot of sense, but they don't make a lot of dollars, with the medical industry that is.

 

[Bobby Cole]

Yes, even though they now, from my understanding, have the ability to "clone" embryonic cells. The idea that all stem cells are equal is not the case from what I understand either. Harvesting them from your own bone marrow is now being used in things like cancer, and covered by insurance partly, in some cases. However, you take stem cells from the bone marrow of someone who has cancer and has just done 2 years of chemo and radiation, are those stem cells going to be as good? Does that sound like a good idea as opposed to some fresh embryonic stem cells?


Yes, that is recommend and what I tend to do. Higher doses in the evening with some food in me still if possible, but that is not a requirement. For those that want to look into it further look into the research of Abram Hoffer. He was reversing schizophrenia with doses of 3000mg's and up. Let alone raising HDL with doses around 1500mg's. Vitamins make a lot of sense, but they don't make a lot of dollars, with the medical industry that is.

Speaking of cancerous conditions, stem cells often turn cancerous and in particular, embryonic stem cells but it doesn’t work the other way around. A good stem cell taken from a cancer patient isn’t necessarily cancerous too, albeit even from a healthy person, the stem cell can turn cancerous and often does.
That said, I believe that Mayo is presently programming stem cells to take on whatever characteristic they wish to use them on: heart, liver, lungs, brain tissue, kidneys etc.

 

[Lurch]

Speaking of cancerous conditions, stem cells often turn cancerous and in particular, embryonic stem cells but it doesn’t work the other way around. A good stem cell taken from a cancer patient isn’t necessarily cancerous too, albeit even from a healthy person, the stem cell can turn cancerous and often does.
That said, I believe that Mayo is presently programming stem cells to take on whatever characteristic they wish to use them on: heart, liver, lungs, brain tissue, kidneys etc.

This OP has been hijacked at this point but it's a good conversation so I'll keep rolling with it.

From my understanding stem cells, are just blank cells and will take on the environment you put them in. They don't need to be "programmed" so I don't know what the Mayo clinic is doing but they have a pretty good track record of having a bad track record. If you put them with bone, they'll become bone, with tissue they'll become tissue, etc. Bruce Lipton talks about this in his book The Biology of Belief and in his lectures, from when he worked in stem cell research. The cell takes on the environments, they don't just randomly turn cancerous. You put them in a toxic environment and they may form cancer.

If stem cells were prone to turning into cancer then babies would be the most prone to cancer, but they're not.

 

[Bobby Cole]

This OP has been hijacked at this point but it's a good conversation so I'll keep rolling with it.

From my understanding stem cells, are just blank cells and will take on the environment you put them in. They don't need to be "programmed" so I don't know what the Mayo clinic is doing but they have a pretty good track record of having a bad track record. If you put them with bone, they'll become bone, with tissue they'll become tissue, etc. Bruce Lipton talks about this in his book The Biology of Belief and in his lectures, from when he worked in stem cell research. The cell takes on the environments, they don't just randomly turn cancerous. You put them in a toxic environment and they may form cancer.

If stem cells were prone to turning into cancer then babies would be the most prone to cancer, but they're not.

My doctorate isn’t in genetics or in any other medical field so I can’t argue the issue with any substantial authority.
That said, there‘s a lot of info (including full papers) out there that can explain it far better than I. https://www.statnews.com/2017/04/26/stem-cells-cancer-mutations/

 

[searay]

If I had known about the benefits of niacin I would have started using it yrs. ago. I had been hounding my Primary about my high LDL levels and his first reply was lets try a diet change and see what happens. I knew nothing would change as my diet was as good as it was gonna get. However, I waited till my next blood test and LDL was the same along with low HDL. I asked for a script for a statin as I knew it was just a matter of time if I didn't. He never called it in and over the next 10 yrs. he kept avoiding it. I moved to L.V. and had by-pass surgery. My sister was still seeing him and when she told him I had bypass surgery she said he had a look on his face like OH FUCK!!! What really pisses me off on top of medical incompetence is not one of all the Dr's and specialists said anything about using niacin. They love COQ10 which guess is a good heart supp but apparently not to the degree of niacin. I ordered some niacin from Amazon but it takes a couple wks to come in. They got plenty of the 'no flush' brands! I stopped the Lipitor and am now taking 20mg of Crestor eod. Ive seen Dr's on Y.T. that recommend taking statins eod as they say its just as effective with less sides. The joint pain is gone. I'll start the niacin and continue with the Crestor until my next blood test and go from there.

 

[beefnewton]

Been struggling with lopsided HDL/LDL for a while, so this got me interested in trialing Niacin. FYI, apparently there are different forms of Niacin, and the only form that affects cholesterol is nicotinic acid. The other forms that do not affect cholesterol are nicotinamide and inositol nicotinate (also called no-flush niacin). Supposedly, anyway. I'm just parroting the Internet, and part of that was even a copy and paste.

 

[beefnewton]

I had a hell of a time finding these. I've noticed lately that many products won't show if you search on Amazon, but if you Google it, you'll get an Amazon link. Amazon is obviously manipulating results. I'm not a big fan of the excipients in these, but there really aren't a lot of options.

https://www.amazon.com/Niacin-Time-Release-1000mg-100ct/dp/B004JBIZR6

 

[Lurch]

Been struggling with lopsided HDL/LDL for a while, so this got me interested in trialing Niacin. FYI, apparently there are different forms of Niacin, and the only form that affects cholesterol is nicotinic acid. The other forms that do not affect cholesterol are nicotinamide and inositol nicotinate (also called no-flush niacin). Supposedly, anyway. I'm just parroting the Internet, and part of that was even a copy and paste.

Yes, that is what all the old research that I know of has shown. Regular niacin, the one that can cause the flush. Also great for joints and a bunch of other things.

Regarding cholesterol. Weston A Price has great stuff on this topic. He wrote a famous book, which I can't think of off the top of my head, about this stuff. There are spots in the world with large amounts of centenarians, many of which had high cholesterol levels, including LDL. Which baffled some researchers because these people had great health! There's obviously much more to this topic than what we are told in the US at least.