I have a friend from my gym that competes in physique and he is natural. He's a ripped 180-190 or so, and about 6' tall. He has competed in local NPC shows for years, and can place top 5, but never wins. He doesn't complain about other people taking gear, he just says it's not for him. I respect that....This guy would be a freak if he would get on the gear train though.