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[Tuffoldman]

To the female members that use a fair amount of anabolics whether for show or just for your own wants.... Do you notice that it throws your Flora off??


When my wife is just taking her weekly 5 to 10 mg of test she's perfectly fine but when she cycles with test at 20 mg a week Masteron at 100mg per week and throws in an oral such as Winny or anavar her Flora gets thrown off and we're not sure if it's because our hormones are so far out of whack that it causes BV.


She does not have periods anymore.


She takes a good probiotic everyday and she also has a probiotic that is supposed to help by going up her who-ha. It just seems to be reoccurring. She'll go on flagyl and it clears up almost immediately but if she's still cycling it comes right back.


She's 55 years old eats nearly perfectly, mostly vegetables, she is a runner and she runs anywhere from 10 to 15 miles a week and then when she does half marathons every month or two. I understand sweating can also cause this but this goes beyond that and if any of you ladies have run into this how do you deal with it??

I know that is getting very personal but we're at our Wit's end trying to solve this and I don't want to have to keep putting her on antibiotics

 

[jipped genes]

My wife's NG/DL is higher than mine when I went in to get my TRT script. It's not super high (207 ng/dl) but she has said nothing about it other than she feels way better and her gym performance is better. She is quite limited due to her condition. As for her lady bits and what is going on down there, it is a mystery. She has not said anything about it and she normally does because it grosses me out and I am less likely to try anything. I do not often get to interact with that which is in her panties.

My post was worthless. I am sorry.

 

[Wilson6]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8814107/

Read the section about the effects of T. The women I've trained both use intravaginal E2 for cramping and dryness, they have no flora issues.

 

[Tuffoldman]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8814107/

Read the section about the effects of T. The women I've trained both use intravaginal E2 for cramping and dryness, they have no flora issues.

If I'm reading that correctly it is saying that a decrease in estrogen could be the cause. Just cutting through all the extra extra info. She has been on testosterone replacement for about 15 years. She cycles once or twice a year. Using anabolics and even more so when she is cycling with masteron sex drive is through the roof, she is never lacking moisture (not sure else to put that other than she's always dripping wet ). She takes progesterone a couple of times a week. We cut it back a little bit her projection levels were a little bit high in our last blood work when she was taking it every day.


I guess a good time to go have her blood work done and look at her estrogen levels to see if those are thrown off. Prior testing always show that her estrogen was in check. Never had any trouble with that at all it was always her testosterone levels that were low.


As much as I'd hate to do this and she doesn't want to do it either she may have to cut back to testosterone only for a while and see if that helps things out. We've tried everything, every probiotic every prebiotic every type of natural rinse. A woman vagina is self cleaning so to speak but I think taking anabolics definitely can throw that whole system off like that article says. It's just very strange that it's happening so often but also the flip side is she takes pretty high doses in my opinion for someone that is not competing. She loves the way she looks, she loves to be muscular but still soft and feminine.

 

[BovaJP]

Hi there, thought i would pop in here and provide my perspective, although with no scientific proof/results. LOL
I'm assuming when you say "flora" that you are talking about perhaps odor/smell/aroma/taste in the lady bit parts?

Myself, i'm a female and also been on TRT for bout 10-12yrs......been on straight Test Cyp, nothing else. No estrogen or progesterone. I also do some cycles throughout the year depending.....
According to my husband, i have a different "taste" when i am on compounds. He says it is just different, and not unpleasant. But it is only when i am on all the other compounds but not straight Test Cyp. Although i ask him tonight for sure LOL.
Never really experimented with compounds and a different flora, just took it as that was one of the sides.

Now myself do i find i smell differently? the answer is yes, but hard to describe if it is more or less potent but just different if that makes sense at all. It is more just a different smell than anything else.

Just my .02 from a women's perspective.

 

[JackD]

Well… such an interesting topic…. I will say my most recent experience with a lady on anabólics is that yes, periods did stop, no smell or weird taste… what does throw things off is us guys, our stuff, and changing the PH. Hormones do play a part and lower estrogen will affect the secretions of other fluids from
Her down there… now that said… I also have to admit, my experience with taste and smell was usually right after a shower and only a few mornings and never noticed anything that was off from when compared to any previous women.

 

[Wilson6]

If I'm reading that correctly it is saying that a decrease in estrogen could be the cause. Just cutting through all the extra extra info. She has been on testosterone replacement for about 15 years. She cycles once or twice a year. Using anabolics and even more so when she is cycling with masteron sex drive is through the roof, she is never lacking moisture (not sure else to put that other than she's always dripping wet ). She takes progesterone a couple of times a week. We cut it back a little bit her projection levels were a little bit high in our last blood work when she was taking it every day.


I guess a good time to go have her blood work done and look at her estrogen levels to see if those are thrown off. Prior testing always show that her estrogen was in check. Never had any trouble with that at all it was always her testosterone levels that were low.


As much as I'd hate to do this and she doesn't want to do it either she may have to cut back to testosterone only for a while and see if that helps things out. We've tried everything, every probiotic every prebiotic every type of natural rinse. A woman vagina is self cleaning so to speak but I think taking anabolics definitely can throw that whole system off like that article says. It's just very strange that it's happening so often but also the flip side is she takes pretty high doses in my opinion for someone that is not competing. She loves the way she looks, she loves to be muscular but still soft and feminine.

Has she discussed it with her GYN?

 

[Highly caffeinated]

Yep, I’ve had BV due to hormone changes.
Normally when I come off to fast. I’m estrogen dominant and it spikes up real quick once I come off the testosterone.
If I come off super slow I do t have that problem but it makes cycling off and on harder.

 

[Wilson6]

Yep, I’ve had BV due to hormone changes.
Normally when I come off to fast. I’m estrogen dominant and it spikes up real quick once I come off the testosterone.
If I come off super slow I do t have that problem but it makes cycling off and on harder.

Why come off T?

 

[Tuffoldman]

Has she discussed it with her GYN?

We're making an appointment for that and fresh blood work.

 

[Highly caffeinated]

Why come off T?

I don’t anymore. I just go to a low dose and cycle to higher doses and and anavar when I’m on cycle. But, I use to come off completely for a few months before cycling back on. That throws all three hormones off. My estrogen rages out. Which will cause an imbalance in everything.

 

[Tuffoldman]

I appreciate all the input. I am taking her off of masteron for now. Going to get some blood work done and see how things go.


She always feels great when she's on some type of cycle. Her health is amazingly good even though she's been cycling for years and years.


We have tried primo before and even though it's not exactly the same results as masteron she would still like to have something to cycle with. The problem is every single shot with primo always leaves huge lumps. Not sure if it's something that's used in the manufacturing of it or what honestly I know nothing about brewing. Is there a reason why she might get lumps from primo but nothing else?

My understanding primo has no effect on estrogen one way or the other of everything I've read so far about it.