You gotta read this bullshit

[Bigtex]

This has got to be one of the biggest hits on the use of testosterone I have ever read. It is so full of bullshit that I had to start laughing. This guy got ripped off buying steroids and if he injected 3 times a day for two years, he still looks like shit.

Man, 32, on the brink of death after taking popular medication

A bodybuilder was left fighting for his life after years of abusing a drug, with experts warning that more people could be at risk.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Zak Wilkinson, 32, spent more than two years using steroids, splashing £35,000 ($46475.80 US) on the performance enhancing drugs, injecting himself up to three times daily.

On March 23 2022, the father of one's gruelling steroid regime finally caught up with him when he started having seizures, vomiting and sweating profusely.
At first, doctors thought he could be suffering from meningitis, but quickly realised the fits were caused by his steroid use.
Doctors said Mr Wilkinson was fortunate to avoid suffering long term neurological damage after being left non-verbal for days.

'It could still all affect me later on, and I'm probably going to be on constant medication for the rest of my life,' says Mr Wilkinson.
'I now have PTSD, body dysmorphia, a diagnosed eating disorder, regular flashbacks, and I'm having rehabilitation for trauma. I've also now become epileptic due to the coma.'

He has a meeting with his treatment team twice a week, and also has to take anxiety, sleeping, and epilepsy medication, as well as attend frequent appointments for brain scans and blood tests.

"A landmark study published last year by Danish researchers found steroid users have an almost 300 per cent increased risk of death within two decades."

It took a long time to find this mention of a study -

Windfeld-Mathiasen J, Heerfordt IM, Dalhoff KP, Andersen JT, Horwitz H. Mortality Among Users of Anabolic Steroids. JAMA. 2024;331(14):1229-1230. doi:10.1001/jama.2024.3180

Mortality Among Users of Anabolic Steroids - PMC

This cohort study investigates mortality and cause of death among a large cohort of androgenic anabolic steroid users, compared with a control group, in Denmark from January 3, 2006, to March 1, 2018.

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

What a weak ass observation study with absolutely NO evidence of causality. Go figure, seems to match the rest of this silly story. First off, this study did not just investigate the use of testosterone, it investigated the use of all anabolic steroids. Yet the writer of this article used this study to prove his point.

Study Population 1,189 AAS users, 59,450 controls, mean age 27.4 years.

The results revealed significant differences in mortality between AAS users and controls. The study included a mean age of 27.4 years (SD, 6.9) at baseline. During the follow-up, 33 deaths occurred among AAS users compared to 578 among controls. The causes of death for AAS users were detailed as follows: 17 unnatural (primarily accidents), 16 natural (most prevalent were cancer and cardiovascular disease), and 0 unknown. For controls, the breakdown was 334 natural, 208 unnatural, and 36 unknown.'

An “increased risk” of 300% would imply a quadrupling of risk, which is not supported by the data. So once again, this article is supported by bullshit claims from a shady research article published in Jama.

Observational studies are generally considered weaker evidence compared to experimental studies like randomized controlled trials (RCTs). As an observational study, it cannot establish causality, meaning other factors (e.g., risk-taking behavior, concurrent substance use) may contribute to the observed mortality differences. There are other studies that have shown, other drugs used with anabolic steroids seems to be the cause of unnatural risks. Risk taking is also a big factor.

 

[gunslinger]

I see shit like this regularly in my facebook feed. So much wrong here its hard to even find a starting point.

I'll just say this. I've taken steroids consistently for around 16 years. I know dozens of people in "real life" and hundreds more through forums who have me beat by a lot. I've NEVER seen a single death that could have been directly cause by steroids. EVER. I'm talking people who just do small cycles of 300-500mg of test for 12 weeks at a time all the way to guys who shoot 4-5 different compounds at several grams per week plus orals for years on end and never come off and everyone in between. Not to downplay what steroids are or their dangers but people buy shit over the counter everyday that are FAR more dangerous than steroids even in mega doses.

I understand with social media being what it is today the use of steroids has gone up. But this is just a new version of all the propaganda from the 1980's. Meanwhile around 7 million people per year dies from smoking and more than that from drinking. Hell around 250,000 ppl per year die from medical malpractice in the US alone. No one saying shit about that.

 

[Tuffoldman]

I've been on TRT and cycled for 20 years and it has not affected my health other than a rise in bad cholesterol

 

[JackD]

It would have been nice if the article released some medical information about the tests and what they found. However, how about the journalists write about all the unhealthy people and trash food they eat and conditions associated with heart disease, smoking, obesity…. This list goes on. I'm just irritated this is what is being focused on.

 

[Wilson6]

Great stuff, love the pic of the IV injection, yup going to mainline some Tren before I head to the gym. The journalist will be the next Steven King. Terminator meets Tren in the Rise of the Mist LOL. Life must be perfect in the UK if this is all they have to write about.

 

[jipped genes]

I've been on TRT and cycled for 20 years and it has not affected my health other than a rise in bad cholesterol

Same here bro. Been on since early OOs. I have not cycled in 15 years but I feel great! My biometrics are all great all but lipids. But...I had a calcium score done and a ultrasound of my arteries. ZERO plaques.

 

[Littleguy]

Great stuff, love the pic of the IV injection, yup going to mainline some Tren before I head to the gym. The journalist will be the next Steven King. Terminator meets Tren in the Rise of the Mist LOL. Life must be perfect in the UK if this is all they have to write about.

I shoot my tren in the bathroom stall using a rubber tube and a spoon with a bic lighter and used syringes dug out of the trash can.........these people are so fucking stupid, same as they always have been.

 

[Bigtex]

They forgot to mention that this guy was also using T3/T4 and Clenbuterol. I found it in another article. That might have been causing the "seizures, vomiting and sweating profusely" he had. But how the hell do you get PTSD from using steroids? And the body dysmorphia diagnosis.....give me a break.

 

[gunslinger]

The guys that drop dead or get really sick are ALWAYS on other shit completely unrelated to PEDs. Diuretics, Recs, Clen, GH, Slin, Thyroid meds etc.

 

[Littleguy]

The guys that drop dead or get really sick are ALWAYS on other shit completely unrelated to PEDs. Diuretics, Recs, Clen, GH, Slin, Thyroid meds etc.

YES, usually recs

 

[Bigtex]

The truth is, those that are ending up in the hospital or suddenly die while using steroids are dying form the use of recreational drugs, suicide or accidents.

Darke S, Torok M, Duflou J. Sudden or unnatural deaths involving anabolic-androgenic steroids. J Forensic Sci. 2014 Jul;59(4):1025-8. doi: 10.1111/1556-4029.12424. Epub 2014 Feb 19.

According to this study, In 23 out of 24 post mortems performed, substances other than steroids were detected, most commonly psychostimulants (66.7%). The study concluded that the typical case involved a male polydrug user in his early thirties, with death most commonly due to drug toxicity. In one of every three cases, the death was the result of a fatal combination of steroids and stimulants such as cocaine,, amphetamines or XTC. In thirty percent of the cases it was a combination of steroids and opiates that was the cause of death. WOW! How many guys do I know on these boards and in the gyms that are heavily involved in recreational drug use? But it is much easier to just blame steroids.

 

[gunslinger]

I can inject half a bottle of test right now and take 20 dbol tabs. I'll have a slight headache and maybe a boner. Go take 20-30 aspirin or Tylenol and see what happens or take 6-7 caffeine tabs. All legal over the counter. Take 500mg of test per week for 16 weeks (2 x 250mg shots) See what happens to your stats after 4 months. Now do the same with McDolands and alcohol. Then have bloodwork done.

None of the deaths have ANYTHING at all to do with steroids other than maybe someone getting themselves killed while on Tren. Not a single one or any combo of steroids. Maybe if you took mega doses of dbol and Anadrol for months on end you might be able to kill your liver but you would do it a hell of a lot faster with Tylenol or NyQuil. (Ask me how I know)