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serenity4

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i want to start off with saying that this is not a scientific paper but rather just some thoughts after a discussion with my mom. she is 64 years old and has significant osteoarthritis and fibromyalgia. due to the fibromyalgia she has not been very active for over 30 years. she has recently been undergoing a bunch of doctor exams for spine problems and pain in her hands and hips.

i was speaking with her this morning and she was reading me the radiologist reports on her numerous x rays. it stated several times that she had significant osteopenia. i told her that that was bone loss and was the reason for taking calcium to prevent it. she told me that she had been taking caltrate for years based on the recommendation of my aunt who is an internal medicine specialist. she then wondered why if she was taking calcium supplementation would her bones be losing calcium.

i am a common sense sort of person. i am a big believer in research but it has to have some practical purpose to it for me to remain interested in it. in my profession it is important to be able to relate things in a practical way that people understand.

calcium is very very important for bodily function. one, it obviously is needed for boney growth, remodeling and support but it is also very important for muscle contraction. when one doesnt have enough calcium they will go into a tetnic state and have severe muscle tremors. muscle can not contract without calcium.

Summary of Events in Muscle Contraction and Relaxation

Arrival of motoneuron action potential
Synaptic transmission at neuromuscular junction
Action potential propagates along sarcolemma
Hypopolarization of T tubules
Ca++ released into sarcoplasm from sarcoplasmic reticulum
Ca++ bound by troponin

Cooperative configurational change in troponin and tropomyosin
Release of inhibition of myosin-ATPase
Link between thick and thin filaments, swivel of myosin head
Tension exerted
Shortening by sliding filament
Ca++ removed from sarcoplasm
Mg++ATP bound by actinomyosin
Cross-bridges disconnected
Actinomyosin-ATPase inhibited
Active tension disappears
Series elastic elements restore resting length

Chapter 14 - Muscle Contraction


another important thing in calcium regulation is vitamin D.

Vitamin D promotes calcium absorption in the gut and maintains adequate serum calcium and phosphate concentrations to enable normal mineralization of bone and to prevent hypocalcemic tetany. It is also needed for bone growth and bone remodeling by osteoblasts and osteoclasts [1,2]. Without sufficient vitamin D, bones can become thin, brittle, or misshapen. Vitamin D sufficiency prevents rickets in children and osteomalacia in adults [1]. Together with calcium, vitamin D also helps protect older adults from osteoporosis.
Dietary Supplement Fact Sheet: Vitamin D

so we have to have adequate calcium and vitamin D for bones to function properly and be healthy. so why is it that my mother has low bone density even though she has been taking caltrate which has both calcium and vit D?

my theory- in race horses there is a condition that very commonly affects young horses in training called bucked shins. it is fracture of the cannon bone, the cannon bone is the long bone between the horses foot and its knee. this occurs because as the horses are being conditioned they are often galloped around the track to get their lungs and muscles in shape. this puts many loading cycles on the bone. the more the horse gallops the more stress on the bone and the bone starts remodeling to hold up to the applied forces. the problem is that as soon as the horse has its first work or first race where they are asked to run, the bone then develops microfractures. it is very painful and often interrupts training. this happens because bone remodels to the forces put on it. these horses bones have remodeled for the load of a gallop but not the load of a run which is significantly more forceful. so how does this relate to my mom? haha well, because of the fibromyalgia, my mom has been pretty seditary for over 30 years. she sits at the computer most of the day and any work she does is not heavy or forceful in any way. she might have brief moments of lifting something but overall, she doesnt do much of anything like that. her bones have no expectation of any kind of force. because of this, the body is not taking any calcium to remodel her bones and make them stronger, why should it, there is no stimulus for it to do so. so even though she is taking the calcium her body isnt using it to make her bones stronger, it is using if for muscle contraction and then probably dumping the rest of it. i imagine it is also still drawing calcium from her bones to utilize as well, thereby causing further osteopenia. the vertebra in her back are deteriorating as well as her discs. but never has she done any lifting to signal her back and the bones that make it up to remodel and get stronger.

now this is just my common sense way of tying it all together. im not saying it is right but it makes sense to me. so why am i even writing this? well, to me it just confirms that every woman out there should be doing some sort of physical exercise and lifting weights should be part of it. not that they have to be out there building muscle and trying to get huge :D but rather they should be doing it to apply stress to their bones so that their bones stay active and continue to keep up on its calcium absorption.

Thats hard when it is your mom. I am 57 years old as I stated before that I was diagnosed with osteoporosis at an early age of 48. Not sure why I ended up with it as I was an avid milk drinker growing up lol. My sister has ostepenia which comes before the osteoporosis. I also have arthritis and have good and bad days but move around as much as possible, sometimes I tend to overdue it and pay for it but there is alot of outside work here to help out with and I hate sitting idle. I was told to take the calcium and magesium and D but now I don't know what to do or take...I am still taking D. Just the recent info coming out about women and heart attacks caused by calcium scared the hell out of me...so until I hear different, not sure what to take for bones other than vit. D and exercise and yes weight bearing is very good for your bones. Good luck with your mom and great post you made, interesting.
 
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im sure like most anything, too much is a bad thing but taking a calcium supp daily isnt going to give you a heart attack. hell, im sure they could link heart attacks to eating ice cream if they wanted because im sure every woman who has had a heart attack has eaten ice cream at some time in her life. unless there is statistically significance to the reports than they are just that, a report that doesnt prove anything! go back to your calcium supp!
 

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Thats hard when it is your mom. I am 57 years old as I stated before that I was diagnosed with osteoporosis at an early age of 48. Not sure why I ended up with it as I was an avid milk drinker growing up lol. My sister has ostepenia which comes before the osteoporosis. I also have arthritis and have good and bad days but move around as much as possible, sometimes I tend to overdue it and pay for it but there is alot of outside work here to help out with and I hate sitting idle. I was told to take the calcium and magesium and D but now I don't know what to do or take...I am still taking D. Just the recent info coming out about women and heart attacks caused by calcium scared the hell out of me...so until I hear different, not sure what to take for bones other than vit. D and exercise and yes weight bearing is very good for your bones. Good luck with your mom and great post you made, interesting.

Linked to the over use of calcium supplements,

http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/study-links-too-much-calcium-to-heart-disease-20100812204
 
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serenity4

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Thanks ALLTHEWAY and to SHINE for link. I read too much and people kept saying get off calcium etc etc. then I stopped it..but I will start it again...do if your dammed and dammed if you do. I get so tired of all these reports of medications or vitamins that use to work wonderfully and then years later your going to end up dead or with some kind of problem lol....I know the best way is to get it in food but not sure how much you really take in during a day? Thanks all again!
 
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there are cycles in everything. we see it in medicine all the time. use dexamethasone in snake bites than 5 yrs later, ohhh no dont use it then 5 years later, you got to start using it. blah blah blah. in all things moderation i think. there is no one way to do everything and treat everything. when you read or hear stuff than file it away and refer to it as needed but one can NOT believe everything that is out there in print. the only things truly proven are those things that they can prove have statistical significance and i sucked at stats but it has to do with the p value and it being greater than 5 or .5 or something like that. like the example that shine linked, it went from 5.5 to 5.8, not very significant and yet they make it seem big by saying it is a 30% increase.
 
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