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Winter bulk: high deca low test

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my 2nd cycle after doing a deca / dbol cycle was, deca 400mg wk / tren 300mg wk / anavar 80mg day, cabaser .5mg 2x wk. it was summer time and I wanted to be cut as possible after being fairly bloated w/ the dbol. I had no dick issues, as a matter of fact I remember easily blowing loads 1-2 times per day someplace inside my x. it was one of the best cycles ive ever done. bf was at an all time low, strength was up, and my muscles were full and hard. I don't think ive ever had issues with bloat from deca.
 
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Update.

Week 13 of 900 deca/250t

No bloat.
No dick issues.
No side effects.
No change in BP even though I’m up 25lbs.

7 more weeks to go. Adding 350tren Ace on week 15 and running that to the end.

Also will run dbol starting 2 weeks after the tren starts. Just for fun: ie PRs and eclipsing 300lbs
 

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Update.

Week 13 of 900 deca/250t

No bloat.
No dick issues.
No side effects.
No change in BP even though I’m up 25lbs.

7 more weeks to go. Adding 350tren Ace on week 15 and running that to the end.

Also will run dbol starting 2 weeks after the tren starts. Just for fun: ie PRs and eclipsing 300lbs
286 currently
 
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295 and just added dbol.

Been on tren A 100mg 3x/wk for 3 weeks. I can say that deca/tren is no magical combo but I can also say there have not been any increased sides.

At this point I wouldn’t consider running these two compounds concurrently again. But I wanted to give it a whirl.

One thing I added but didn’t mention is insulin. 3x/wk for two weeks on then two weeks off.
10iu pre/10iu post.
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Soon I can relax and cut until August.

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Solid gains week after week, great job. Pulled your pants down for POB I see..
 
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Very impressive. Good work!

I'm a little surprised that you didn't feel much difference after adding in the tren. Tren always has a huge impact on my physique, but I struggle with the sides, so haven't been touching it lately.

Long ago, earlier in this thread, you suggested different fish oil. Any suggestions? BP is always an issue for me, and I'm already doing daily baby aspirin and low dose Cialis. If I could find a good fish oil at reasonable price, I might consider adding that as well. May have to just bite the bullet and get on BP meds.... sucks.
 
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245–>300 is a lot in 9 months. I know you say that you have “no bloat” and no other issues, but again, that’s a lot and unlikely to be easy on the heart and other organs (not to mention joints/ligaments/tendons).

Guys with only 3-4 cycles under their belt get carried away and run these “kitchen sink” cycles of test/deca/drol/tren/dbol/insulin. It makes it hard to know what’s doing what. Don’t take offense. I did it multiple times before I learned.

You do your research and you work hard. Now if you run simpler cycles, you’ll have a more intimate and useful knowledge of how everything effects you, and you’ll be less likely to put so much stress on your body too.

My $.02
Either way, respect for the hard work and size. It doesn’t come easy no matter what you take.
 
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Very impressive. Good work!

I'm a little surprised that you didn't feel much difference after adding in the tren. Tren always has a huge impact on my physique, but I struggle with the sides, so haven't been touching it lately.

Long ago, earlier in this thread, you suggested different fish oil. Any suggestions? BP is always an issue for me, and I'm already doing daily baby aspirin and low dose Cialis. If I could find a good fish oil at reasonable price, I might consider adding that as well. May have to just bite the bullet and get on BP meds.... sucks.

I would just go on BP meds. Effective and safe and cheap.

I don’t tolorate testosterone at high doses or at moderate doses with other compounds. That’s when my BP gets really elevated.

Right now I am at 150/80 on tren/dbol/deca and 300 pounds. This is well within my tolerated risk range for a run of dbol for 25 days.

For me tren really shines when I was busting my ass going 90 minutes of cardio a day and only lifting 4x/wk.

Thanks for the encouragement.
 
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245–>300 is a lot in 9 months. I know you say that you have “no bloat” and no other issues, but again, that’s a lot and unlikely to be easy on the heart and other organs (not to mention joints/ligaments/tendons).

Guys with only 3-4 cycles under their belt get carried away and run these “kitchen sink” cycles of test/deca/drol/tren/dbol/insulin. It makes it hard to know what’s doing what. Don’t take offense. I did it multiple times before I learned.

You do your research and you work hard. Now if you run simpler cycles, you’ll have a more intimate and useful knowledge of how everything effects you, and you’ll be less likely to put so much stress on your body too.

My $.02
Either way, respect for the hard work and size. It doesn’t come easy no matter what you take.

I don’t disagree with anything you’ve stated and I certainly don’t take offense.

I am under no false pretenses. Just being this heavy is unhealthy and gaining this much so quickly is extremely stressful on my body.

I don’t think this cycle was too over the top. Overly complicated? Sure. But that’s because I wanted to experiment with a bunch of things: dbol, drol, double 19 nor. This was very much an experiment and I have learned a lot.
 
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I don’t disagree with anything you’ve stated and I certainly don’t take offense.

I am under no false pretenses. Just being this heavy is unhealthy and gaining this much so quickly is extremely stressful on my body.

I don’t think this cycle was too over the top. Overly complicated? Sure. But that’s because I wanted to experiment with a bunch of things: dbol, drol, double 19 nor. This was very much an experiment and I have learned a lot.


Not over the top in comparison to some of these cats running 3+grams total, but the over complication makes it hard to judge things accurately.

For instance, could the tren/deca combo have been wicked awesome and you didn’t even know it because the slin smoothed out the shreds? Between deca and dbol and drol, the water weight and glycogen retention alone makes it hard to see what’s really going on.

The soup analogy is pretty good if you haven’t heard it. When making a new soup, a good chef will taste the soup after every addition, never adding too much, or more than one thing, at a time. That way, when it’s perfect, you know exactly the recipe, and when it’s not, you know what just effed it up.

On my way up to a solid 320, I competed at 275 multiple times and was running crazy cycles and complicated cycles and eating dirty often and blowing up fast, but I always felt it, and I looked like I felt it too.
Coming back down from 320, when I hit 275 again, it was basically on trt, my diet was on point, and THAT 275 felt 100x better than the 275 with a bunch of compounds.

I’m not trying to say not to experiment, just that a good experiment limits variables to get precise results.
 
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