Wife's next cycle.

[969C1]

My wife has been on Test C for over a year now. She is 54 and normally takes 10mg per week, split into two shots of 5mg per week. She did do a little higher run for a while at 20 per week and loved it. She has been back at a cruise of 10 mg a week now for a couple of months. Her latest blood work came back perfect along with her ECG.
She trains very hard and is very dedicated to her workouts. We have been training partners now for over a year and it is great.
She wants to step it up a bit and from what we have researched, we are considering for her to try the following, raising her Test C to 30 mg per week, add in 20 mg of NPP for joint issues, along with 50 mg of Primo to help keep her lean and help her cut.
Just looking for input and thoughts on this cycle.

 

[tommyguns2]

Are you saying add the NpP for a growth phase and then drop the NPP and put in the primo for a cut?

 

[969C1]

We were thinking a low dose of NPP for her joint issues. We are both taking tumeric and a good omega 3 daily as part of our supplements, but as we are older, shoulder and knee joints sometimes are pretty sore. Have heard Deca helps with the joints, but for her, thinking NPP would be a better choice if there are any sides, it will be out of her system quicker.
So, the short answer would be to run all three at once. Again, interested in hearing insight and advice.

 

[The other Snake]

I'm no big gear head and really don't deal with female AAS use all that much but would some low dose Var be a better choice? I'm not sold on the Deca/NPP for joints myself.

 

[969C1]

Her test levels on her first blood panel were almost non existent. She has been using Test C now for over a year and there has been nothing but positive in every way for her. Every 6 months we get our blood panel checked. Every thing else has been excellent.
Also, that is why we were considering NPP, for if there are no noticeable improvements or other issues arise from it, we can remove it and it hopefully be out of her system quicker. No sense injecting something that gives no results.

 

[BovaJP]

@969C1 it is in my opinion that i would NOT increase her test dosage and would stay where you are. Increasing the dosage would only increase side effects. iF she is good with that then go for it.
I would keep test c at current low dose and add in NPP. sure, go for it.

 

[Glycomann]

We were thinking a low dose of NPP for her joint issues. We are both taking tumeric and a good omega 3 daily as part of our supplements, but as we are older, shoulder and knee joints sometimes are pretty sore. Have heard Deca helps with the joints, but for her, thinking NPP would be a better choice if there are any sides, it will be out of her system quicker.
So, the short answer would be to run all three at once. Again, interested in hearing insight and advice.

Primo will hit her estrogen. You may have to dial things in. The deca is less effective if estrogen crashes, at least in me. my pronouns are he/him/MFer/MFingMFER.

 

[Wilson6]

Primo will hit her estrogen. You may have to dial things in. The deca is less effective if estrogen crashes, at least in me. my pronouns are he/him/MFer/MFingMFER.

Agree with primo E2 and Deca. Deca aromatizes about 5 - 10% compared to testosterone. This was looked at in the lit in guys given 300 mg/wk of T or N. So, if you want E2 higher, avoid primo bc that will limit the aromatization of T to E2, and don't go all Deca or NPP bc that will contribute very little to E2, if increases E2 at least at the tissue level is the goal. Now the 5AR form of nandrolone DHN is a weak androgen so there are some benefits to that vs T relative to DHT, one has to find a balance. For a base year round though, don't run Primo, just T or T/N. In total doses of 100 mg/wk or less, there will be little in the way of any changes in labs except Hb/HCT specific to the T/N. Lifting heavier, more protein, etc. that will have some effect on labs independent of the androgens. If you want lean, GH + RETA (and not much). My non-medical two cents.

 

[BLTC]

Agree with primo E2 and Deca. Deca aromatizes about 5 - 10% compared to testosterone. This was looked at in the lit in guys given 300 mg/wk of T or N. So, if you want E2 higher, avoid primo bc that will limit the aromatization of T to E2, and don't go all Deca or NPP bc that will contribute very little to E2, if increases E2 at least at the tissue level is the goal. Now the 5AR form of nandrolone DHN is a weak androgen so there are some benefits to that vs T relative to DHT, one has to find a balance. For a base year round though, don't run Primo, just T or T/N. In total doses of 100 mg/wk or less, there will be little in the way of any changes in labs except Hb/HCT specific to the T/N. Lifting heavier, more protein, etc. that will have some effect on labs independent of the androgens. If you want lean, GH + RETA (and not much). My non-medical two cents.

Thanks for a years worth of education in a couple sentences!

 

[Glycomann]

Agree with primo E2 and Deca. Deca aromatizes about 5 - 10% compared to testosterone. This was looked at in the lit in guys given 300 mg/wk of T or N. So, if you want E2 higher, avoid primo bc that will limit the aromatization of T to E2, and don't go all Deca or NPP bc that will contribute very little to E2, if increases E2 at least at the tissue level is the goal. Now the 5AR form of nandrolone DHN is a weak androgen so there are some benefits to that vs T relative to DHT, one has to find a balance. For a base year round though, don't run Primo, just T or T/N. In total doses of 100 mg/wk or less, there will be little in the way of any changes in labs except Hb/HCT specific to the T/N. Lifting heavier, more protein, etc. that will have some effect on labs independent of the androgens. If you want lean, GH + RETA (and not much). My non-medical two cents.

Do you know if women make any significant amount of DHT and by extension DHN?

 

[Glycomann]

@969C1 it is in my opinion that i would NOT increase her test dosage and would stay where you are. Increasing the dosage would only increase side effects. iF she is good with that then go for it.
I would keep test c at current low dose and add in NPP. sure, go for it.

I have thought that nandrolones would be a good drug for women using AAS since it has some progestogenic activity. What have you experienced.

 

[Wilson6]

Do you know if women make any significant amount of DHT and by extension DHN?

I don't remember ever seeing anything in the lit re DHT in the few women's studies with T, although I'll go back and do a search on the trans lit. I'm sure they've measured it. From the few women at the gym that have done labs, yes DHT increases with T and finasteride mitigates it, but while hair loss improves, libido and drive suffers, just like guys. The one strongwoman competitor I've known for years was using 80 mg/wk of T and experiencing hair loss, switching to an equal mg of ND and the hair loss stopped. That's an N of one. As we've discussed regularly here, you won't know how X affects you until your try it. Everyone is different. But drive and libido is not as great on ND vs TC.