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woodswise

woodswise

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Im not disagreeing with you on any of those issues,only the thought processes and practices of many,including im sure the OP for his desire to run it.You understand what im saying? Thats my only point to this.WHY someone chooses to run adex,not about everything that adex can help control.

As for me personally,I believe all factors determining my health,good and bad and take as little meds/drugs as possible and instead focus on natural remedies/treatments first.Diet will play such a major role in controlling all of the things you've described but far too many think of it like this.More just too readily run to meds when ive seen many many times,all someone needed to do was fine tune their diet,adding in more healthy nutrients and vitamins that naturally correct their ails.

Hey FIST do you even take AAS and Adex and/or Nolva? Do you have any idea what they do or how they work??? Based on your posts in this thread you don't and therefore you should not be giving AAS or PCT advice to anyone, because you don't understand even the simplest of the basics about those compounds. If you want to learn more, I recommend you read Richard Llewleyn's books about steroids and other compounds. In the meantime, do not give advice because if any newbie takes your advice they're gonna do themselves real harm.
 
PillarofBalance

PillarofBalance

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Im not disagreeing with you on any of those issues,only the thought processes and practices of many,including im sure the OP for his desire to run it.You understand what im saying? Thats my only point to this.WHY someone chooses to run adex,not about everything that adex can help control.

As for me personally,I believe all factors determining my health,good and bad and take as little meds/drugs as possible and instead focus on natural remedies/treatments first.Diet will play such a major role in controlling all of the things you've described but far too many think of it like this.More just too readily run to meds when ive seen many many times,all someone needed to do was fine tune their diet,adding in more healthy nutrients and vitamins that naturally correct their ails.
If you personally like to use less drugs rather than more why would you use adex for bloat nolva for gyno var for libido viagra for erections... Instead of just some adex?
 
F.I.S.T.

F.I.S.T.

MuscleHead
Sep 24, 2011
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Hey FIST do you even take AAS and Adex and/or Nolva? Do you have any idea what they do or how they work??? Based on your posts in this thread you don't and therefore you should not be giving AAS or PCT advice to anyone, because you don't understand even the simplest of the basics about those compounds. If you want to learn more, I recommend you read Richard Llewleyn's books about steroids and other compounds. In the meantime, do not give advice because if any newbie takes your advice they're gonna do themselves real harm.

Well since you decided to hack another members thread with bullshit (which is what you're best at) i'll respond once to it and than leave his thread alone....

Ive been cycling before you knew what a steroids was, which is proven by your statement about what dangerous advice I gave..Since this was in reference to the OP's asking about adex @ .5mg ed,(to which I actually suggested not just taking UNLESS he needed it,as well as others suggesting the same thing) you're obviously speaking out of your ass! Unless you know of some .5mg ed adex tragedy that im unaware of!! LMFAO. As for reading a book,I dont have to read a book jr,ive been living it for 3 decades.The egg head book readers can keep reading while I continue to cycle into my 60's and beyond.WITH NO COMPLICATIONS!!! Since im almost 60 now with 5 kids and my youngest being 6,I think ive done pretty well in "guessing" what works huh?

As for highlighting my saying diet plays such an important role in controlling outcomes of a cycle,once again,you obviously dont have a clue boy.I guess you're one of the drug zombies that run to them whenever something changes in your body thinking thats the answer right??


Stick to what you're good at boy,making pussy remarks in the threads I post articles in because if you want to compare firsthand,lifelong experience with cycling...I'LL BURY YOU SON!!!

Maybe you have a book that I can read and learn on the "DEADLY ADEX OUTCOMES OF CYCLES" LMFAO.
 
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F.I.S.T.

MuscleHead
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If you personally like to use less drugs rather than more why would you use adex for bloat nolva for gyno var for libido viagra for erections... Instead of just some adex?


I personally dont use adex,NO NEED FOR IT. Never needed Nolva,except for pct. As for Viagra,thats what people are taking for their cycling sex drive woes when needed.No one that cycles and has a sex drive issue is running for adex.Just isnt happening.Viagra/Cialis have been a standard in many guys cycling for yrs.Ive personally found Viagra the best pre workout drug on the market and include it in all my cycles and have been for yrs.Would adex do this? I think not.

The point again is,to take as little as possible,for as long as possible while still getting results without negative sides.This unfortunately isnt the rational of far too many and they choose to take a lot more than needed,like Adex,Nolva,etc,etc,etc.

 
woodswise

woodswise

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Well since you decided to hack another members thread with bullshit (which is what you're best at) i'll respond once to it and than leave his thread alone....

Ive been cycling before you knew what a steroids was, which is proven by your statement about what dangerous advice I gave..Since this was in reference to the OP's asking about adex @ .5mg ed,(to which I actually suggested not just taking UNLESS he needed it,as well as others suggesting the same thing) you're obviously speaking out of your ass! Unless you know of some .5mg ed adex tragedy that im unaware of!! LMFAO. As for reading a book,I dont have to read a book jr,ive been living it for 3 decades.The egg head book readers can keep reading while I continue to cycle into my 60's and beyond.WITH NO COMPLICATIONS!!! Since im almost 60 now with 5 kids and my youngest being 6,I think ive done pretty well in "guessing" what works huh?

As for highlighting my saying diet plays such an important role in controlling outcomes of a cycle,once again,you obviously dont have a clue boy.I guess you're one of the drug zombies that run to them whenever something changes in your body thinking thats the answer right??


Stick to what you're good at boy,making pussy remarks in the threads I post articles in because if you want to compare firsthand,lifelong experience with cycling...I'LL BURY YOU SON!!!

Maybe you have a book that I can read and learn on the "DEADLY ADEX OUTCOMES OF CYCLES" LMFAO.


So says the man who posted the article about baking soda curing cancer.

Vitamins and diet aren't going to control estrogen and the other side effects from AAS. Adex is one of several good options as the others have pointed out. Your emphasis was to say vitamins and diet could control the side effects as well. That is complete BS.

While diet and vitamins and other supplements are important for good gains, they play a minimal role in controlling side effects from AAS.

And while you may think I don't know much about this, I have a BS in biology and have studied this more than a little bit in getting my BS. Richard Llewleyn's books on AAS are well written and based on science, not some over the hill broscience like you have to offer.
 
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F.I.S.T.

MuscleHead
Sep 24, 2011
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So says the man who posted the article about baking soda curing cancer.

Vitamins and diet aren't going to control estrogen and the other side effects from AAS. Adex is one of several good options as the others have pointed out. Your emphasis was to say vitamins and diet could control the side effects as well. That is complete BS.

While diet and vitamins and other supplements are important for good gains, they play a minimal role in controlling side effects from AAS.

And while you may think I don't know much about this, I have a BS in biology and have studied this more than a little bit in getting my BS. Richard Llewleyn's books on AAS are well written and based on science, not some over the hill broscience like you have to offer.


Like I said,keep reading and working on your bs in biology.I'll keep living the life and working with the countless # of people I have through the decades and seeing their results/sides/gains FIRSTHAND and making my recommendations on that.My "bro-science" as you call it is from REAL WORLD PRACTICE not from what some egghead says in his book.I have nothing against reading research from others as you and other drama queens like to point out on my "copy & pasting" of articles,but that will NEVER replace what ive learned through actual use.The research articles are great to give you some input into something but until you've done it for yourself and witnessed countless others,you're only knowledge is what you've read.

So yeah,i'll stick to my over the hill ways.Hopefully someday you'll make it as long as me with the LACK OF NEGATIVE HEALTH ISSUES I HAVE SONNY BOY.
 
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Docd187123

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I personally dont use adex,NO NEED FOR IT. Never needed Nolva,except for pct. As for Viagra,thats what people are taking for their cycling sex drive woes when needed.No one that cycles and has a sex drive issue is running for adex.Just isnt happening.Viagra/Cialis have been a standard in many guys cycling for yrs.Ive personally found Viagra the best pre workout drug on the market and include it in all my cycles and have been for yrs.Would adex do this? I think not.

The point again is,to take as little as possible,for as long as possible while still getting results without negative sides.This unfortunately isnt the rational of far too many and they choose to take a lot more than needed,like Adex,Nolva,etc,etc,etc.


Unfortunately for you there's so much wrong here. Adex is meant to control estrogen NOT bloat. Bloat happens to be a side effect of elevated estradiol. It reduces bloat through a secondary mechanism by lowering E2.

If you've been cycling/blasting and had supraphysiological levels of testosterone then there is no doubt whatsoever you do have need for adex/letro/aromasin. You're more than welcome to post blood work showing your TT and E2 levels without using an AI and I guarantee E2 will be elevated. Just bc you don't feel it means nothing.

Viagra and and cialis don't work on sex drive or libido. You are wrong. They are pde5 inhibitors that work by increasing blood flow in the corpus cavernosum. This provides erections but does nothing to increase libido. The reason you wouldn't use adex for erectile dysfunction is bc adex does nothing for erectile dysfunction unless it's caused by elevated E2.

Im im all for taking as little as possible but you are deluded and misinformed enough to believe diet can control hormonal levels while in supraphysiological states which is not the case and isn't supported by any shred of evidence out there. You're welcome to believe in pink unicorns all you want but expect to be told they're fictional and not rooted in reality.
 
DaSarge

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You can't have it both ways F.I.S.T.

You expect everyone to believe your numerous "copy-and-pasted" articles and "links" regarding GMO's, Baking Soda, Marijuana, etc. are to be taken as the gospel truth, and then when someone else posts information regarding the use of A.I.'s which has been garnered from valid scientific studies and real-world use, you claim all that information is bogus and that your "broscience" trumps all scientific facts.

Then again, I've found it's useless to argue with the nonsensical ramblings of a madman...
 
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Docd187123

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Dec 2, 2013
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You can't have it both ways F.I.S.T.

You expect everyone to believe your numerous "copy-and-pasted" articles and "links" regarding GMO's, Baking Soda, Marijuana, etc. are to be taken as the gospel truth, and then when someone else posts information regarding the use of A.I.'s which has been garnered from valid scientific studies and real-world use, you claim all that information is bogus and that your "broscience" trumps all scientific facts.

Then again, I've found it's useless to argue with the nonsensical ramblings of a madman...

"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference"

generally attributed to Mark Twain
 
F.I.S.T.

F.I.S.T.

MuscleHead
Sep 24, 2011
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Unfortunately for you there's so much wrong here. Adex is meant to control estrogen NOT bloat. Bloat happens to be a side effect of elevated estradiol. It reduces bloat through a secondary mechanism by lowering E2.

If you've been cycling/blasting and had supraphysiological levels of testosterone then there is no doubt whatsoever you do have need for adex/letro/aromasin. You're more than welcome to post blood work showing your TT and E2 levels without using an AI and I guarantee E2 will be elevated. Just bc you don't feel it means nothing.

Viagra and and cialis don't work on sex drive or libido. You are wrong. They are pde5 inhibitors that work by increasing blood flow in the corpus cavernosum. This provides erections but does nothing to increase libido. The reason you wouldn't use adex for erectile dysfunction is bc adex does nothing for erectile dysfunction unless it's caused by elevated E2.

Im im all for taking as little as possible but you are deluded and misinformed enough to believe diet can control hormonal levels while in supraphysiological states which is not the case and isn't supported by any shred of evidence out there. You're welcome to believe in pink unicorns all you want but expect to be told they're fictional and not rooted in reality.

This is almost too asinine to even reply to.I guess when you use terms like "supraphysiological levels of testosterone" it makes it sound official and warrants merit? Give me a fuking break.The OP is talking about running a simple cycle of test @ 500mg a week and and asking when he should start adex and you're talking "supraphysiological levels of testosterone" and "bone health" and "estradiol levels",etc.GIVE ME A FUKING BREAK!!! Its a fuking simple test cycle for Christs sake!! At worst,what will his negative sides be from this 12 wk course? What the **** is he worried about all that bullshit that you rambled off???

Any idiot can do an internet search on what the definitions and chemical breakdown and what possible side effects there could be and what possible negative health issues there could be from taking any given compound but I can GUARANTEE you he wasnt thinking of taking Adex for anything other than bloat.No is recommending taking adex on a fuking 500mg EW cycle of test for fuking bone health or to help with a decreased libido!!! Decreased libido BY INCREASING YOUR TEST LEVEL WITH A 500mg EW TEST CYCLE??? DUMB-ASS.Another book worm!!

You reciting all the shit Adex can be used for has no relevance on the OP's question nor my statements WHAT-SO-EVER!! Once again,as my first reply to yours was,I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU ON WHAT ADEX CAN HELP CONTROL. My statements over and over again are what in the mind set of people when starting out AAS and the reasons they are told to take something.What I said,and i'll say it again because obviously your nose is too far into a book reading about what steroids do to have understood me......THE RELEVANCE IS NOT EVERYTHING THAT ADEX OR VIAGRA OR CIALIS DOES OR DOESNT DO.............ITS THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF THE PEOPLE TAKING THEM!! You think when someone has a problem with a dead dick,they're waiting around to find out from their blood work what they need to work on to improve this or ARE THEY TAKING VIAGRA TO FIX IT NOW???? Whether or not it increases ones sex drive or not doesnt fuking matter or drugs like Viagra and CIALIS wouldn't be multi-million $ a yr drugs!! They take it for an INSTANT FIX!! Again,the thought process of why people take it.Not the egghead version of what it doesnt do.Tell someone with a deadick that they shouldn't take Viagra because it wont fix their sex drive which is the cause of their problem and they'll probably pop a Viagra and bend you over and a$$ you in the ass for being so fuking stupid!

When you start taking AAS,you dont have to be a chemical engineer to know why they work,ONLY THAT THEY WORK!! The learning of more detail into how and why steroids work will come later.The guys that don't have "BA"'s in biology dont know why something works or doesn't and can only go by what the "bro-science" tells them.Right or wrong ,it is what it is.Thats how most start out and hopefully learn from there.

Now as far as my blood work son,have it done all the time so I don't have to worry about me not feeling bad but being wrong about it.If and when my bloods do show something I make changes to fix it.But that doesnt include first running to any drug that some dr says I should.And like I said,at almost 60 with 5 kids and a 6 yr old I think I know what the fuk im doing.\

My suggestion to you would be stop reading books and actually start running some cycles and monitor others and see what their reactions are from them.Ive been cycling for 3 fuking decades and know more people that have done the same for more days than books you've read!



 
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F.I.S.T.

MuscleHead
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You can't have it both ways F.I.S.T.

You expect everyone to believe your numerous "copy-and-pasted" articles and "links" regarding GMO's, Baking Soda, Marijuana, etc. are to be taken as the gospel truth, and then when someone else posts information regarding the use of A.I.'s which has been garnered from valid scientific studies and real-world use, you claim all that information is bogus and that your "broscience" trumps all scientific facts.

Then again, I've found it's useless to argue with the nonsensical ramblings of a madman...


I dont expect anyone to believe any of the "copy & paste" articles I post nor do I fuking care if they do.Not my articles and only posted for info and for those actually interested to do their own research and find out more.To the pussies that just post shit in the threads,it only shows what sad lives they have.Nothing better to do than follow my threads around like a bitch in heat and post stupid shit.LMFAO. All the educated ,holders of "BA's" in biology and what ever other bullshit bookworm title they hold posting up b/s in threads on an internet?? How successful those degrees have made them!!

But not a fuking soul on here is gonna tell me about some fuking egghead shit about what steroids do and are for!! When it comes to actual real life experience,I laugh at that shit! My personal experience and the countless others I have been part of through the decades gives me my validation.Not some fuking study done by some pencil-neck nerd that's never touched a weight or steroid in their life.

I'll keep pumping the iron through my 60's and well beyond while the punk kids keep reading shit about bone health and estradiol,and how Viagra only increases blood flow to the corpus cavernosum (LMFAO) etc,while im living it and operating my gym that owned/operated for almost 3 decades.

 
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MuscleHead
Sep 24, 2011
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FUKING NERDS!!!!!!

All this over a fuking 500mg a week TEST cycle asking about .05mg Adex???? LMFAO

GET FUKING REAL!!!!
 
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