US military veterans heed Occupy rallying cry

[Halo]

Having been to almost 50 countries now I can say that no other country in the world offers the opportunity to have nothing and work your ass off and end up rich as shit like America does. People who really want to succeed are clamoring at the chance to come to America and make it happen. I know a bunch of people who immigrated to America LEGALLY and earned their way to six figure and better incomes just like I know American born citizens who have done the same. I know and have family members who are lazy sacks of shit, they tell me how America owes them health care and that they should be payed a living wage for their non talented lazy effort. I tell them get off your ass work a couple of jobs and make something happen you lazy assholes. They don't appreciate my candor, but the truth hurts when you are a lazy. I've worked two jobs when I needed to while I've been in the military. My wife has worked three jobs at one time when she needed to, that work ethic is one of the reasons I find her so amazing and why the two of us fit so well. There will never be a point when I can agree with people who won't get out there and earn their own. A hand up for a minute is worth doing a hand out for extended periods I'm just not down with it.

 

[Halo]

I think all of this stuff can be directly related to what we do here, the things that bring all of us together on a site like Iron Den is our work ethic. We all know that no one is going to put muscle on us, we have to eat right we have to work hard to get what we want. We also know that we don't achieve the success we want when we don't do what we know needs to be done. Most of us here are not rich, but we spend the extra cash on gyms, food, supplements, gear etc, we make sacrifices in our lives so we can achieve our goals. It's exactly the same thing on the streets with a job with family and life in general you get out what you put in. Most of us here don't have too much tolerance for those that expect everything and put in half ass efforts to get it. We do what we can to give them the tools to make the right choices and then if they don't we end up calling them out. If at some point they choose to do the right thing we still help because thats who we are. Just saying.

 

[F.I.S.T.]

I hear what you're saying bro and I disagree, people like to use that argument to guilt hard working Americans into tolerating this idiocy. I don't buy it. Jimmy Hoffa was a piece of shit too in my opinion. You say the word communist when out in the 60's I say that communism succeeds when people act like it doesn't exist and they are communists. They want to have more of what hard working people have earned and they don't want to do shit to have it. That shit is communism and socialism is the kinder gentler word to hide the truth that communism is. The Europeans ignored it and they got the business end of that shit. I don't love all Americans, I deplore rapists, thieves, frauds, lazy ass people, socialists, communists, murderers, lawyers and politicians. Oh and I'm not fond of fake ass environmentalists and people who leave their shopping carts by my car I have fought and continue to fight for their right to say what they want but I reserve the right to have and voice my opinion about them.

You do have that right and I respect it.You just seem to respect their's.

Lets break it down even simpler bro.Let me ask you this Halo,you use AAS correct? So according to the laws of the land and the majority of citizens out there you're a druggie right? Most likely the majority of these protestors have never seen or used AAS so they would be in agreement with the gov't that you and I have fought for in bringing you down right? To them,you and I and anyone else that uses AAS is a loser. Are they right? Are we?So are we better than them for fighting for jobs? You're breaking the law of the gov't that you claim to love.So your idea of what America is is whats right? Your idea of whats ok to follow in the gov't is right but them for seeking out a right to the wrongs?

As I said,I am a Vet and have fought for my country.I have also done many things in my life that I am not proud of and am lucky to be here today.I have been a AAS user and know that "I" am public enemy number one according to the gov't,the media and to a vast majority of Americans.That does not change the fact's of what I did in defense of my country nor does it excuse the things ive done.I accept that if I were to go down for the laws I break,I wold not agree with it,but would accept that I am responsible for these things.I wouldn't blame anyone but myself.That being said brother,we are all criminals and need to accept this.So my point again is,what makes us so much better than these guys for fighting to get jobs?

You have the right to dis-agree with them brother.But to agree with guys that are getting their heads bashed in over it is very very wrong.If your head was bashed in because of breaking the law by using AAS,would it be right? You ARE breaking the law.They are not.

Respect to you my friend.We've known each other a while now thru the boards and have been cool with each other.We just dis-agree on this and im only trying to put things into perspective for you man.I agree that there are many losers out there,but we've fought for them as well.

 

[F.I.S.T.]

Having been to almost 50 countries now I can say that no other country in the world offers the opportunity to have nothing and work your ass off and end up rich as shit like America does. People who really want to succeed are clamoring at the chance to come to America and make it happen. I know a bunch of people who immigrated to America LEGALLY and earned their way to six figure and better incomes just like I know American born citizens who have done the same. I know and have family members who are lazy sacks of shit, they tell me how America owes them health care and that they should be payed a living wage for their non talented lazy effort. I tell them get off your ass work a couple of jobs and make something happen you lazy assholes. They don't appreciate my candor, but the truth hurts when you are a lazy. I've worked two jobs when I needed to while I've been in the military. My wife has worked three jobs at one time when she needed to, that work ethic is one of the reasons I find her so amazing and why the two of us fit so well. There will never be a point when I can agree with people who won't get out there and earn their own. A hand up for a minute is worth doing a hand out for extended periods I'm just not down with it.

My friend,that's the whole point though.You should not have to work 2 and 3 jobs to survive.If there was not as much corruption and mi0-use of monies,this would not be the case.While corporate execs get big fat bonuses for running a failing company,the working class that were the backbone of those companies like you and your wife,got nothing and have to struggle to survive.Thats where I have a problem.Companies that get billion dollar bail outs (twice)for FAILING while you and I have to bust our asses to get by.Why is this not a problem for you? Its not about being able to work 2 and 3 jobs to survive,its WHY SHOULD YOU HAVE TO?

 

[marx]

I busted my ass putting up a fact filled, graphically augmented argument. Aint nobody touched it. If the graphs are bullshit, show me the truth. My thought was rant-y but my day was full

Corporations are not paying their fair share- historic evidence shows that when America was at it's strongest, corporations paid the ratio of the nations taxes we individuals do now. They got the laws tilted in their favor by lobbying and campaign contributions.

They got bailed out. We got the bill- and where are the jobs they are creating? I'm missing that part. So are the folks speaking out.

People need jobs. People want work.

During the days we were fighting communism on the world stage the richest Americans paid upwards of 70% in the upper tax brackets. Back then supporting your country was patriotic though. Look at where the taxes where during Mr Reagan's time.

The TV stations highlight that the people are different from us, not worthy of respect. But what I here from people actually there is that it is Moms are there Dads and Granmas and Granpas passing through. Folks with jobs come in and out as they can. Not as 'telegenic' as the weirdos LOL.

TV doesn't work for me. A subject is given to you with someone else interpretation and 10 seconds into it they switch to something else. I need time to take things in, consider, compare to whatelseI know concerning the issue.

I read about current events.

It is good we can debate the issue of though.

 

[Halo]

You do have that right and I respect it.You just seem to respect their's.

Lets break it down even simpler bro.Let me ask you this Halo,you use AAS correct? So according to the laws of the land and the majority of citizens out there you're a druggie right? Most likely the majority of these protestors have never seen or used AAS so they would be in agreement with the gov't that you and I have fought for in bringing you down right? To them,you and I and anyone else that uses AAS is a loser. Are they right? Are we?So are we better than them for fighting for jobs? You're breaking the law of the gov't that you claim to love.So your idea of what America is is whats right? Your idea of whats ok to follow in the gov't is right but them for seeking out a right to the wrongs?

As I said,I am a Vet and have fought for my country.I have also done many things in my life that I am not proud of and am lucky to be here today.I have been a AAS user and know that "I" am public enemy number one according to the gov't,the media and to a vast majority of Americans.That does not change the fact's of what I did in defense of my country nor does it excuse the things ive done.I accept that if I were to go down for the laws I break,I wold not agree with it,but would accept that I am responsible for these things.I wouldn't blame anyone but myself.That being said brother,we are all criminals and need to accept this.So my point again is,what makes us so much better than these guys for fighting to get jobs?

You have the right to dis-agree with them brother.But to agree with guys that are getting their heads bashed in over it is very very wrong.If your head was bashed in because of breaking the law by using AAS,would it be right? You ARE breaking the law.They are not.

Respect to you my friend.We've known each other a while now thru the boards and have been cool with each other.We just dis-agree on this and im only trying to put things into perspective for you man.I agree that there are many losers out there,but we've fought for them as well.

I never said I agree with all of the laws in our country, some are bullshit, like laws regarding AAS. You're right we disagree and that isn't going to change regarding this subject. I'm not going to be guilted into supporting this cause. I'm not saying that I want the cops to beat these idiots, but if you want to run right at the laws in public, if you want to hinder the average citizen from going about their lives like these people are doing, that part is a fact. These parks should be available to families to walk around with their kids etc, they are not and they are not because of these people. They want to force their view on the rest of us, the rest of us who are busy working and doing countless things to make our country a better place to live. We volunteer at homeless shelters, we do community beautification projects, we volunteer to help with youth sports etc.... These people are doing nothing positive in my opinion. To me the Tea Party represents my view points and they do it peacefully and families and children can walk amongst the people protesting for good things that I agree with and to me the differences in character etc are obvious.

 

[Halo]

My friend,that's the whole point though.You should not have to work 2 and 3 jobs to survive.If there was not as much corruption and mi0-use of monies,this would not be the case.While corporate execs get big fat bonuses for running a failing company,the working class that were the backbone of those companies like you and your wife,got nothing and have to struggle to survive.Thats where I have a problem.Companies that get billion dollar bail outs (twice)for FAILING while you and I have to bust our asses to get by.Why is this not a problem for you? Its not about being able to work 2 and 3 jobs to survive,its WHY SHOULD YOU HAVE TO?

The point is that you have the option, you can work harder and get more it's that simple. I do what I have to always have and I have the utmost respect for those that do the same and the same level of contempt for those that don't. If you want to be a slacker you get what you earn and that is that.

 

[marx]

I think all of this stuff can be directly related to what we do here, the things that bring all of us together on a site like Iron Den is our work ethic. We all know that no one is going to put muscle on us, we have to eat right we have to work hard to get what we want. We also know that we don't achieve the success we want when we don't do what we know needs to be done. Most of us here are not rich, but we spend the extra cash on gyms, food, supplements, gear etc, we make sacrifices in our lives so we can achieve our goals. It's exactly the same thing on the streets with a job with family and life in general you get out what you put in. Most of us here don't have too much tolerance for those that expect everything and put in half ass efforts to get it. We do what we can to give them the tools to make the right choices and then if they don't we end up calling them out. If at some point they choose to do the right thing we still help because thats who we are. Just saying.

Gotcha 100% there. Well put. Work ethic. People want jobs Halo. They want to take care of their kids and give them a good life, ideally better than the one we worked our way up in, put 'em in school, give them the values and the character inputs they'll need to be solid good people and give us the joy of grandkids.

People need work.

Why do some fuckers leave their shopping carts sitting there? They have the carrall areas. Seriously. That kills me... WTF????

I get your post. You get what you put in is one of lifes main truths, relationships, spirituality, learning and of course, training. My son gets it so I was a good example, proud to say...

 

[Halo]

Marx, I agree with you that it's good we can debate all of this.

 

[Halo]

Something else that I like to consider in the big picture. In the socialist model, we pay more of our money to the government so they can choose how to spend it for "helping people". Thats how I see them looking at it. They have so much of our money they are squandering for stupid things it's unimaginable.

In the ideal for me we as Americans can choose to donate to causes. If you're a Christian you can donate to a church that runs a soup kitchen, if you love animals you can donate to an animal shelter, if your cause is unwed mothers you can give them cash if you want to help homeless you can. We as Americans have more charities that do more tangible things for people than the government will ever do. The cool thing is we choose, when I've lived in socialist countries the avg citizen doesn't do shit for charities because they leave it up to the government, and then they bitch like the Greeks about how the government is squandering shit. No kidding they are the government they can't do much right and allowing them do the shit to help people with our cash is crazy talk. I want the choice and right now I still have it I really don't want to loose that ability.

 

[PillarofBalance]

 

[captaincaveman]

BERNIE MADOFF.

Nuff said.

He broke the law bro and paid the price. So, I ask for an example and you send a criminal. It is obvious you think all rich = all criminal. It is the fist thing that came to mind. I suppose Steve Jobs and Warren Buffett are criminals...and the Walton family as well as anyone else that has __________ as a net worth. (There is a blank there because I want to know at what point a person becomes an automatic criminal in your mind.

Thanks bro. Cool discussion.

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