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I was kind of joking, referring to my way-back post of "fuck the homeless" under Testboner's thread. But I agree. Totally the politicians and the left. All they care about is getting theirs at the expense of everyone else. They live in their gated communities, homes, or even bunkers. Oprah's speech at TSU was off the rails and was an inventory of lunacy. Those are the kind of people leading the country... the ones that actually believe (or act like they believe) the nonsense vomited by Oprah.
 
Glycomann

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You’re correct, America has become a shit hole country. The thing is, it’s not just because of the gov’t here — it’s an increasing majority of the public as well.
So many orchestrated societal influences, as well as ingredients in our foods and drinks, meds/vax etc, and environmental factors have had / are having a profound impact on public health, cognitive function; reasoning, belief patterns, and so on. Our cultural ethos has rapidly, radically digressed.
I truly see no large scale solution, and and see no other future here, both near and long term, other than very bleak.
immigration is one thing. This is an invasion and those are very different things. They have orchestrated by the UN, NGOs, and our government including DHS. The same in Europe. These psychopaths at the WEF, who is tightly aligned with the UN and NGOs, havre done this to all of Western nations, thye have collapsed the Middle East as well as Central and South America. Unfortuneately, the people will never wake up. They psychopaths always gain control of all the major systems of government, financial markets, health industry, media and major corporations. This is a cycle, 80-100 years. It will result in a massive war at some point which will give the excuse for a massive influx of currency followed by collapse and financial reform. This time it might be for keeps unless enough people escape the deep monitoring system and take control of the crash before they do. The American Revolution only required 3-5% to do it. Are there enough brave men and women to make the sacrifice? because if there are not then we will be enslaved for 10 generations if not more.
 
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immigration is one thing. This is an invasion and those are very different things. They have orchestrated by the UN, NGOs, and our government including DHS. The same in Europe. These psychopaths at the WEF, who is tightly aligned with the UN and NGOs, havre done this to all of Western nations, thye have collapsed the Middle East as well as Central and South America. Unfortuneately, the people will never wake up. They psychopaths always gain control of all the major systems of government, financial markets, health industry, media and major corporations. This is a cycle, 80-100 years. It will result in a massive war at some point which will give the excuse for a massive influx of currency followed by collapse and financial reform. This time it might be for keeps unless enough people escape the deep monitoring system and take control of the crash before they do. The American Revolution only required 3-5% to do it. Are there enough brave men and women to make the sacrifice? because if there are not then we will be enslaved for 10 generations if not more.
Immigration is a clusterfuck topic. Multidimensional. The overwhelming majority of us (“Americans”) are the offspring of immigrants — predominantly European origin. Native American Indians are the OG inhabitants of what we all proclaim now as our own. These contemporary issues with “immigrants” (largely Hispanic, yes) is a manufactured issue, and one most prominently not of Mexico residents making. I’m not discriminatory, I’m not racist, I’m not a supremacist (ethnicity wise nor territorial / nation wise), so I don’t share the common disdain for Hispanics (“immigrants” “illegal aliens”) that a large number do.
Gov’t is who steals/robs/bullies/victimizes me — not the Hispanics.

What I despise is / are centralized system/s of control (most prominently, gov’t), and the masses that defend, support, condone, make excuses for, etc said systems.
So far as what region of dirt (the earth) people are from, we’re all humankind and we all are conditioned (enculturated) in various diverse ways. There is no ONE best way, ONE superior type — just differences…. same as appearances, body shapes, so on and so on…..
“Immigration” is not a contention of mine — gov’t and any that support gov’t is my contention.

Though the revolutionary war is said to have required a mere 3-5% to rise up as it did and force a change — that’s not the case in today’s modern era with massive militaries and endless varieties of high tech artillery, bioweapons, etc. There could likely be a 75+% populace uprise, and so long as the system owners can maintain the relatively small number of loyal to them military, the 75+% still stand NO CHANCE of “victory.”

You mention that things “will result in massive war at some point” — I believe that “massive war” is occurring at this moment. The US & NATO war against Russia (and China as well as some others) militarily, ideologically, trade, energy, communications, technology and in other numerous ways is occurring at a level that the majority public is oblivious to. It’s a war of the US defending its hegemony — a war for global system dominance.

Humanity / the global public are the biggest losers in all of this — and Americans in a most profound and extreme way.
The sad reality is, America is unique, and its uniqueness makes it uniquely shitty now and uniquely fucked. We’ve been so spoiled, so pampered, so privileged for so long, that we’re all experiencing the most impact of loss / losses now.
“The bigger they are, the harder they fall.”
 
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I think 1 Bigun and Tommyguns nailed it. Government is out of touch with the people. There is a political battle being waged by extremists on either side, and average Americans are paying the price.

On the left, you have liberals, by small margins, driving huge economic and social changes with environmental and social ideals. The goals may be attractive and even worthwhile, but the reality is they are going to create real chaos in the country with zero emission vehicles (mostly electric vehicles) being given political priority, by hard and fast rules, rather than setting the stage for economic change that might or might not occur the way government wants. The critics on the right hit the nail on the head when they point out the high environmental cost of the heavy metals in the batteries, the lack of infrastructure for supporting a change to electric vehicles, and the inefficiency of using generators with fossil fuels, to charge batteries, where the infrastructure won't support the ev's. Socially, the drive to protect everyone's individual choices, using the heavy hand of government, has led to broad alienation and backlash on the right. I support individual freedom, and protecting individuals from harm by people who hate them. But that should be sufficient. Putting the finger on the scales in sports, in the classroom, etc. using the strong arm of government, is taking it too far. Yes, protect individuals freedom, use government to prevent hate crimes, make sure people aren't denied basic services, but don't use government to promote liberal political and social agendas. The social agendas should be done without the heavy hand of government.

On the right you have conservatives, now also by small margins, dragging us back to the 1950's, where denial, rather than intelligent discussion, is the norm. A political witch hunt for anyone not conforming to the right's political and social ideals. Again, I don't have a problem protecting people from hate, from being denied basic services, etc. but we shouldn't be using the heavy hand of government to weigh the scales in favor of an extreme political, religious or social agenda. Those things should be decided by families and communities, without government involvement. Just as there are good arguments for ending affirmative action because we can focus on income instead of race to promote access to education, jobs, etc. those same arguments are relevant when we talk about ending government promoting the goals of distinct groups of private individuals, whether liberal or conservative, whether religious or atheist, etc.

Government should be focused on health and welfare, transportation, safety, protecting the homeland, and promoting our nation's interests on the global setting. It should not be promoting social agendas. It should not be promoting religious agendas, etc.

On top of it, our society is evolving so that a large portion of people do not have hands on experience in what it takes to survive outside their comfortable lives. They have safe jobs in big organizations, they go to work, watch the news, raise their families, go on vacation, and never have to understand what it really takes to put food on the table, what it takes to run a business, how hard it is to make ends meet if you don't have the cushion of a large organization buffering you from reality. They get their news and world experience and beliefs about what is important online, and not in their daily lives.

At the same time, we have the increasingly lack of responsiveness of government and business to individual needs and situations, with mindless drones handling large masses of people as though we were all the same. Too bad if your situation is a-typical, because if it is, you fall through the cracks and get treated like a persona non-grata.

The crisis in confidence in government, is driven in large part, because it is becoming so very hard if not possible for people who are not working for government or large business, to make an honest living. It is also driven by a sense that the government is working against us. The sense that if you don't fit into the warring tribes (whether liberal or conservative) you will be overlooked, fall between the cracks, etc. because you don't fit in. Because you aren't part of one machine or the other.

I don't know what the fix to all of this will be. I keep waiting for the crazy right wing nuts to come face to face with reality. I keep waiting for the liberals to recognize they are driving mom and pop out of business, making it hard to live differently than in the cookie cutter suburbs, while working for big government or big corporations....

But I have been waiting for 25 years now, and it has gotten much worse, rather than better.

That is why I agree with 1 Bigun and Tommyguns. Things are getting a lot worse, but there doesn't seem to be any way to make it better.

For a short time after 9-11 we all came together as a nation. I hope that isn't what it takes to bring us together and focus our minds and politics on what is truly important, i.e. our freedoms, the rule of law, with the law rooted in a sense of fundamental fairness, with respect for our worthy opponents such that we don't bulldoze them given the smallest opportunity, etc.

End of rant!
 
testboner

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I think 1 Bigun and Tommyguns nailed it. Government is out of touch with the people. There is a political battle being waged by extremists on either side, and average Americans are paying the price.

On the left, you have liberals, by small margins, driving huge economic and social changes with environmental and social ideals. The goals may be attractive and even worthwhile, but the reality is they are going to create real chaos in the country with zero emission vehicles (mostly electric vehicles) being given political priority, by hard and fast rules, rather than setting the stage for economic change that might or might not occur the way government wants. The critics on the right hit the nail on the head when they point out the high environmental cost of the heavy metals in the batteries, the lack of infrastructure for supporting a change to electric vehicles, and the inefficiency of using generators with fossil fuels, to charge batteries, where the infrastructure won't support the ev's. Socially, the drive to protect everyone's individual choices, using the heavy hand of government, has led to broad alienation and backlash on the right. I support individual freedom, and protecting individuals from harm by people who hate them. But that should be sufficient. Putting the finger on the scales in sports, in the classroom, etc. using the strong arm of government, is taking it too far. Yes, protect individuals freedom, use government to prevent hate crimes, make sure people aren't denied basic services, but don't use government to promote liberal political and social agendas. The social agendas should be done without the heavy hand of government.

On the right you have conservatives, now also by small margins, dragging us back to the 1950's, where denial, rather than intelligent discussion, is the norm. A political witch hunt for anyone not conforming to the right's political and social ideals. Again, I don't have a problem protecting people from hate, from being denied basic services, etc. but we shouldn't be using the heavy hand of government to weigh the scales in favor of an extreme political, religious or social agenda. Those things should be decided by families and communities, without government involvement. Just as there are good arguments for ending affirmative action because we can focus on income instead of race to promote access to education, jobs, etc. those same arguments are relevant when we talk about ending government promoting the goals of distinct groups of private individuals, whether liberal or conservative, whether religious or atheist, etc.

Government should be focused on health and welfare, transportation, safety, protecting the homeland, and promoting our nation's interests on the global setting. It should not be promoting social agendas. It should not be promoting religious agendas, etc.

On top of it, our society is evolving so that a large portion of people do not have hands on experience in what it takes to survive outside their comfortable lives. They have safe jobs in big organizations, they go to work, watch the news, raise their families, go on vacation, and never have to understand what it really takes to put food on the table, what it takes to run a business, how hard it is to make ends meet if you don't have the cushion of a large organization buffering you from reality. They get their news and world experience and beliefs about what is important online, and not in their daily lives.

At the same time, we have the increasingly lack of responsiveness of government and business to individual needs and situations, with mindless drones handling large masses of people as though we were all the same. Too bad if your situation is a-typical, because if it is, you fall through the cracks and get treated like a persona non-grata.

The crisis in confidence in government, is driven in large part, because it is becoming so very hard if not possible for people who are not working for government or large business, to make an honest living. It is also driven by a sense that the government is working against us. The sense that if you don't fit into the warring tribes (whether liberal or conservative) you will be overlooked, fall between the cracks, etc. because you don't fit in. Because you aren't part of one machine or the other.

I don't know what the fix to all of this will be. I keep waiting for the crazy right wing nuts to come face to face with reality. I keep waiting for the liberals to recognize they are driving mom and pop out of business, making it hard to live differently than in the cookie cutter suburbs, while working for big government or big corporations....

But I have been waiting for 25 years now, and it has gotten much worse, rather than better.

That is why I agree with 1 Bigun and Tommyguns. Things are getting a lot worse, but there doesn't seem to be any way to make it better.

For a short time after 9-11 we all came together as a nation. I hope that isn't what it takes to bring us together and focus our minds and politics on what is truly important, i.e. our freedoms, the rule of law, with the law rooted in a sense of fundamental fairness, with respect for our worthy opponents such that we don't bulldoze them given the smallest opportunity, etc.

End of rant!
Wayyyyy too much gov’t in that post: “… gov’t should this, gov’t should that, gov’t is supposed to…….”
Gov’t is doing exactly what gov’t has always done: Extort / rob money from the public, manipulate, engage in conquest, push for maximum power and control.
The conditions we’re in have always favored megalomaniacs conquering all humankind and the planet at large.
 
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People need to wake the fuck up and realize what’s happening at our southern and northern border, we do not have a borders anymore. People are pouring in on accounted, for. They have no ability to take care of themselves to clothes themselves to house themselves, or to feed themselves. And you’re paying for their healthcare You are going to be paying for this they’re living in the street and police stations and a bunch of other community service places around the country and your tax dollars are going to pay for them.
Just wait a generation when they start having kids and all of the 30 million new illegal aliens vote for Socialism and this government turns 100% socialist. This country is fucked it’s over with. It’s almost an embarrassment to be an American. I’m disgusted with my government they all need to be held accountable, tried convicted and held accountable for treason.

I’ve given up on this piece of shit country. They call America. The government is totally turned its back on the people. They all need to be held accountable and hung for treason. The only way that will happen is if the military comes on the people side, which I doubt will ever happen .

If I go overseas, I actually feel like I would be embarrassed to admit I’m American. I never thought this day would come because whenever I get a cut or bleed, it comes out, red, white and blue but that has completely changed fuck this country fucked is government they fucked American citizens. time for a revolution and the people to take back to their country and dismantle and eliminate the current government with any means possible

The Declaration of Independence give the American citizens the authority to alter or abolish the current government. There’s too many pussies that won’t take arms against the government. the only hope is to have a military coop comes in and save the American people from tyrannical government.

I’m so disgusted with this country and its government. It’s society who encourages and praises chicks with dicks fucking disgusting what is fucking embarrassment.

not too many people watch the media or keep up with world news in the United States but they’re totally oblivious to what’s going on and soon it’ll be too late. Good luck living under a tyrannical government who gives two shits about the American citizens. I’ve given up on America, it’s it’s radical government that’s turned on its own American citizens. its has failed republic

America’s is a shit hole country
Lead the way, you're all jacked up about Americans being cowards for not fighting back then lead the way. Stop talking about it and do something about it or don't let the door hit you on the ass!!
 
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Wayyyyy too much gov’t in that post: “… gov’t should this, gov’t should that, gov’t is supposed to…….”
Gov’t is doing exactly what gov’t has always done: Extort / rob money from the public, manipulate, engage in conquest, push for maximum power and control.
The conditions we’re in have always favored megalomaniacs conquering all humankind and the planet at large.
Do something about TB. All I ever see are people bitch bitch bitch that do nothing but bitch bitch bitch!!!
 
Swiper

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Lead the way, you're all jacked up about Americans being cowards for not fighting back then lead the way. Stop talking about it and do something about it or don't let the door hit you on the ass!!

There’s no point. it’s a failed republic. it’s all downhill from here. Only a mass military coop could save it and that’ll never happen as I’ve said. I would never risk my life for this country anymore. I’ve given up.

I’m sure some day all you bootlickers will figure it out
 
testboner

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Do something about TB. All I ever see are people bitch bitch bitch that do nothing but bitch bitch bitch!!!
I live as my norm a variety of subversive actions — things not to be shared on internet.
What I definitely do NOT do is perpetuate the status quo by robotically doing exactly as “their” system intends for us to do — Vote, for example, and then claim that that’s “doing something about it.”
 
Glycomann

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Immigration is a clusterfuck topic. Multidimensional. The overwhelming majority of us (“Americans”) are the offspring of immigrants — predominantly European origin. Native American Indians are the OG inhabitants of what we all proclaim now as our own. These contemporary issues with “immigrants” (largely Hispanic, yes) is a manufactured issue, and one most prominently not of Mexico residents making. I’m not discriminatory, I’m not racist, I’m not a supremacist (ethnicity wise nor territorial / nation wise), so I don’t share the common disdain for Hispanics (“immigrants” “illegal aliens”) that a large number do.
Gov’t is who steals/robs/bullies/victimizes me — not the Hispanics.

What I despise is / are centralized system/s of control (most prominently, gov’t), and the masses that defend, support, condone, make excuses for, etc said systems.
So far as what region of dirt (the earth) people are from, we’re all humankind and we all are conditioned (enculturated) in various diverse ways. There is no ONE best way, ONE superior type — just differences…. same as appearances, body shapes, so on and so on…..
“Immigration” is not a contention of mine — gov’t and any that support gov’t is my contention.

Though the revolutionary war is said to have required a mere 3-5% to rise up as it did and force a change — that’s not the case in today’s modern era with massive militaries and endless varieties of high tech artillery, bioweapons, etc. There could likely be a 75+% populace uprise, and so long as the system owners can maintain the relatively small number of loyal to them military, the 75+% still stand NO CHANCE of “victory.”

You mention that things “will result in massive war at some point” — I believe that “massive war” is occurring at this moment. The US & NATO war against Russia (and China as well as some others) militarily, ideologically, trade, energy, communications, technology and in other numerous ways is occurring at a level that the majority public is oblivious to. It’s a war of the US defending its hegemony — a war for global system dominance.

Humanity / the global public are the biggest losers in all of this — and Americans in a most profound and extreme way.
The sad reality is, America is unique, and its uniqueness makes it uniquely shitty now and uniquely fucked. We’ve been so spoiled, so pampered, so privileged for so long, that we’re all experiencing the most impact of loss / losses now.
“The bigger they are, the harder they fall.”
I didn't say much for me to disagree with. It is an invasion though and it is a pogram instituted by these deep state actors and their collaborators like UN, Soros funded ngOs, WHO, WEF, USAID, and so on. This is a massive grift operation and take down of Western society. I would guess that most of these migrants are victoms of this pogram. Many are raped along the way or killed only to arrive here to God knows what. The vast majority of Central and south Americans I know are good hard working people and most are Catholic with good family values etc. They are victoms in this after being victome of the same shitbags that impoverished their home countries through IMF loans and pograms to overthrow lelected governments. our State Dept, CIA ect have been big players in this and it's all coming to a head. Better times are not coming for a while.
 
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I didn't say much for me to disagree with. It is an invasion though and it is a pogram instituted by these deep state actors and their collaborators like UN, Soros funded ngOs, WHO, WEF, USAID, and so on. This is a massive grift operation and take down of Western society. I would guess that most of these migrants are victoms of this pogram. Many are raped along the way or killed only to arrive here to God knows what. The vast majority of Central and south Americans I know are good hard working people and most are Catholic with good family values etc. They are victoms in this after being victome of the same shitbags that impoverished their home countries through IMF loans and pograms to overthrow lelected governments. our State Dept, CIA ect have been big players in this and it's all coming to a head. Better times are not coming for a while.
Thank you Glyco for the added context. I understand this and am in agreement with you about it.
 
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So this lady, E. Jean Carrol, says that Trump raped her in a department store 30 years ago. Trump denies it, and she claims that his denial amounts to a defamation of her character. She sues him, thirty years after the alleged rape, and the jury finds him not guilty of raping her, but still says he owes her $5 million for defaming her by saying he didn't do it.

WTF
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