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walley

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Jan 4, 2019
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First, don't bust on my grammar.
Hi, I'm 47yrs male 5'11" 230# should be 190#. I have compressed discs in my neck and lower back that has really shut me down. Iv been getting epidural injections for 10yrs that kinda help for a month + at most. when I get the epi's I feel mentally awesome for about a week, physically soso for the month +, then as they wear off all-around awful for another month. the awful part got me thinking about aas to reduce the coming off the steroid injection (sometimes flue like for 24 hrs). Then I discovered the TRT forums and sent me on my path.
11/18 The first HRT specialist sent me for the blood test (my total test= 246) and 16hr urine test. She recommended vitamins, test pellets and, Ipamorelin/CJC1295. I wasn't interested in the pellets, she said she doesn't prescribe test injections, so I got recommended vitamins, ipamorelin/cjc1295, and Clomid. I concluded im discontinuing treatment from them, (approx $2000 bloods , urine test, Dr visit, 2mo Clomid, vitamins, ipamorelin/cjc1295,)
I saw a new DR 1/19 and being treated . To start test cyp .9ML 1x week, Anastrozole .5mg 3x week,HCG .25ML 2x week, I also added MICC 1ML 1x week,and going to try to stay with ipamorelin/CJC1295 .1ml 6x week. (w/o the Ipamorelin/CJC1295, all RX, pins, follow-ups and, bloods approx $3500 1yr) no insurance.
That's where I'm at now until I get my next bloods.
 
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Jin

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Welcome.

No issues with your grammar but how about some formatting? Paragraphs are easier to read. Thanks.

Assuming you are taking .9ml of 200mg/ml then that’s 180mg/week (please use mg for all dosages as some compounds/brands are dosed differently per ml) 1.5mg of adex/week is likely (way) too much. Even for somebody like me who is a certifiable estrogen bomb.

Not sure what some of the stuff is you are taking but AI, test and bi annual bloods from a doctor (not clinic) should not run you anywhere near what your annual total is.

Post your blood work when it comes back.

Good job passing on the pellets. Hope you are feeling better.
 
Superman

Superman

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Im with ya pellets are fucking retarded. Hope you find the right doctor she sounds like a dipshit. There is no reason not to prescribe injections, other than being a stubborn closed minded bitch. Rant Over.
 
rawdeal

rawdeal

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Walley, I'm taking great liberties here by trying to read your mind, but I see the potential for some confusion. The epidural injection is a corticosteroid. It may not be cortisone, but it is a related drug with similar effect. It combats the painful inflammation caused by your compromised discs. The testosterone in your self-designed case management is an anabolic steroid, a completely different animal. Those two have the word "steroid" in common, but that's about it. The "mentally awesome" you get from the epidural is most likely from the reduction of pain you had grown accustomed to, kind of a psychological benefit. The all-around-awful returns when the pain does, coupled with the loss of that psychological benefit.

Testosterone does offer some of the physical benefits and side effects the media love to hype, but it also brings a sense of well being compared to low or no testosterone. Thus, your idea for managing things as the epidural wears off is not without merit, but I'm not sure it's the best course. The trt will not address the inflammation pain when the epidural does wear off, and the sense of well being from test will probably not be enough to combat the sense of "awful" you get from the original symptoms. Have you specifically discussed this cycle of good and bad feelings with your epidural doctor, or does he just say "see (pay) me again next time, and we'll give you another shot"?

Any "regular" MD who is willing can prescribe trt for you, will usually offer injections or include them among 2-3 choices, and will sure-as-shit cost less. The trouble there is some will refuse, saying your 246 test level is "not low enough." Might be worth searching, however, or even running your original plan by the epidural guy.
 
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walley

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Jan 4, 2019
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Welcome.

No issues with your grammar but how about some formatting? Paragraphs are easier to read. Thanks.

Assuming you are taking .9ml of 200mg/ml then that’s 180mg/week (please use mg for all dosages as some compounds/brands are dosed differently per ml) 1.5mg of adex/week is likely (way) too much. Even for somebody like me who is a certifiable estrogen bomb.

Not sure what some of the stuff is you are taking but AI, test and bi annual bloods from a doctor (not clinic) should not run you anywhere near what your annual total is.

Post your blood work when it comes back.

Good job passing on the pellets. Hope you are feeling better.
The prices are way more than I expected . I was super eager to get on a program due to my total lack of energy, an was willing to pay nearly anything to get back on track.
I will dbl check amounts and correct them.
Thanks for the response!
 
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walley

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Jan 4, 2019
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Walley, I'm taking great liberties here by trying to read your mind, but I see the potential for some confusion. The epidural injection is a corticosteroid. It may not be cortisone, but it is a related drug with similar effect. It combats the painful inflammation caused by your compromised discs. The testosterone in your self-designed case management is an anabolic steroid, a completely different animal. Those two have the word "steroid" in common, but that's about it. The "mentally awesome" you get from the epidural is most likely from the reduction of pain you had grown accustomed to, kind of a psychological benefit. The all-around-awful returns when the pain does, coupled with the loss of that psychological benefit.

Testosterone does offer some of the physical benefits and side effects the media love to hype, but it also brings a sense of well being compared to low or no testosterone. Thus, your idea for managing things as the epidural wears off is not without merit, but I'm not sure it's the best course. The trt will not address the inflammation pain when the epidural does wear off, and the sense of well being from test will probably not be enough to combat the sense of "awful" you get from the original symptoms. Have you specifically discussed this cycle of good and bad feelings with your epidural doctor, or does he just say "see (pay) me again next time, and we'll give you another shot"?

Any "regular" MD who is willing can prescribe trt for you, will usually offer injections or include them among 2-3 choices, and will sure-as-shit cost less. The trouble there is some will refuse, saying your 246 test level is "not low enough." Might be worth searching, however, or even running your original plan by the epidural guy.
The pain management guy just prescribes pain medication and performs injections when I ask.
That's the extent of my pain management.
I have little to no knowledge other than what I read about these meds we talk about.
It seems that no Dr's want to comment on what another one of there peers is doing, or I'm not conveying my concerns correctly.
I realize now I probably should have searched for opinions here before I took off half cocked. My only excuse is I went from being athletic to being the guy I'd rip on.
Thanks for your response. I totally appreciate all responses!
 
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walley

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Jan 4, 2019
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Im with ya pellets are fucking retarded. Hope you find the right doctor she sounds like a dipshit. There is no reason not to prescribe injections, other than being a stubborn closed minded bitch. Rant Over.
My bud that still hits the gym hard, the guys he's talked to about trt, some have tried the pellets and all have switched to injections with MUCH better results.
 
monsoon

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I think you have run into a couple quack Drs. Neither plan makes much sense. Is the ana really 3x week? I could see maybe 1x but that's a lot especially starting from jump.
 
DungeonDweller

DungeonDweller

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Mar 21, 2017
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Your original doc is downright scary. The second one seems fine except that Anastrozole at all right off the bat makes him seem misinformed. A lot of times with a TRT dose like you have you won't need an AI at all.

Good luck to you. Having a healthy testosterone level will make you feel much better.
 
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walley

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Jan 4, 2019
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Your original doc is downright scary. The second one seems fine except that Anastrozole at all right off the bat makes him seem misinformed. A lot of times with a TRT dose like you have you won't need an AI at all.

Good luck to you. Having a healthy testosterone level will make you feel much better.
I was concerned about the AI , Iv read that AI's are hard on liver.
I guess the follow up bloodwork should show.

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walley

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Jan 4, 2019
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I think you have run into a couple quack Drs. Neither plan makes much sense. Is the ana really 3x week? I could see maybe 1x but that's a lot especially starting from jump.
Yes the AI is 3x's. My esdrodial level was corresponding low like my Test levels.

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