Apr 20, 2016 No, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying if non-equipped lifting did not exist at all (so there could be no comparison to equipped lifting) The gear is still allowing the person to lift more weight. That's all I'm saying. It's not honest strength. I respect honest strength more. That's it. No one competes running against a car do they? The car is "equipment". You cannot run as fast as you can drive a car. Correct? Cars compete against cars and runners compete against runners. Fair enough? Someone comes to a forum and says they run 1/4 mile in 13 seconds. Do you see how absurd this is? I'm not saying Lifting in gear is not harder, more complicated, more technical, more stressful and significantly more dangerous. I'm saying its not a true representation of how strong the person actually is. Again look at the above Jiu-jitsu example. They don't "compete" against each other either. Two different things. I respect one more than the other for the same reasons. But they both call an arm bar and arm bar and a choke a choke. And I'll bet the equipped lifters still call deadlifts deadlifts and bench press a bench press don't they?