Seabass
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IGF has a lot of interest, and a lot of debate. In this thread I will address some of the various topics regarding IGF.
The first is "Does it work?"
Yes, IGF works, but those accustomed to rapid growth from AAS, especially those with a lot of AAS experience, will not likely be satisfied with the growth they experience, if they experience any at all. And yet a less experienced user with little to no AAS experience will likely become a beleiver for life if done properly. There are many reasons for this disparity.
First, without going into too much detail, lets look at the reality of what IGF does, in a slightly more lamen dialog. IGF stimulates a muscle cell to duplicate itself, creating two fibers where there were once one. This is unlike AAS that causes the single fiber to become a bigger fiber. This distinction is very important.
Imagine a stack of wood of very mature big trees. It would be a big stack. Now add some small twigs to the stack, intersparsed with the big logs, falling into the cracks, taking up the space between. There may be a lot more wood there, but it doesn't make the stack much bigger, or any. If those twigs were allowed to grow much larger, as large as the big mature logs, then the stack would definitely be bigger, but that's not the case. In this way the new twings, the new fibers, add very little meaningful mass or strength to the stack. They will, eventually, when they grow as big as the big logs, but that will take awhile, probably as long as it took the big logs to grow from twigs to their giant size.
In this way an experienced muscle builder using IGF, especially one who is already quite large, is unlikely to see much improvement by using IGF, ever. Someone who has spent 15-25 years building giant muscle fibers would have to spend another 15-25 years growing those new fibers created by IGF. AAS can accelerate this growth, but we all know that AAS are not miricle workers, and growth still takes years of hard work and training.
Now take a stack of twigs. Not very big, not very impressive, not very strong. Some of them are a little bigger than others, but none are really big logs. Now use IGF to double the number of twigs. Still unimpressive, but noticeable, in size and strength. Just like muscle fibers in an untrained or undertrained muscle builder. All their muscle fibers will grow, and progress will be rapid. AAS will accelerate this growth, and it will still take years for substantial change, but the untrained will likely progress faster than the non-IGF user did, all things being equal.
Very simple, if you are older, and very experienced lifting, and very big, you are less likely to see significant results than someone who "isn't ready for peptides yet."
Second, AAS users are normally accustomed to rapid muscle growth. IGF doesn't really work that way. You pin and pin and pin for weeks and months and see little if any growth. Like an infant these cells aren't even mature enough to be stimulated for growth. They have to do their thing and mature into fully functioning muscle cells before they can be activated by the nervous system, used to lift weight and then be stimulated to grow. With or without AAS this can take a year, or longer. Again we are not only talking about cellular growth, but nervous growth as well. No nervous system stimulation, no work, no stress, no growth stimulation, no growth. Use IGF now for growth next year.
The first is "Does it work?"
Yes, IGF works, but those accustomed to rapid growth from AAS, especially those with a lot of AAS experience, will not likely be satisfied with the growth they experience, if they experience any at all. And yet a less experienced user with little to no AAS experience will likely become a beleiver for life if done properly. There are many reasons for this disparity.
First, without going into too much detail, lets look at the reality of what IGF does, in a slightly more lamen dialog. IGF stimulates a muscle cell to duplicate itself, creating two fibers where there were once one. This is unlike AAS that causes the single fiber to become a bigger fiber. This distinction is very important.
Imagine a stack of wood of very mature big trees. It would be a big stack. Now add some small twigs to the stack, intersparsed with the big logs, falling into the cracks, taking up the space between. There may be a lot more wood there, but it doesn't make the stack much bigger, or any. If those twigs were allowed to grow much larger, as large as the big mature logs, then the stack would definitely be bigger, but that's not the case. In this way the new twings, the new fibers, add very little meaningful mass or strength to the stack. They will, eventually, when they grow as big as the big logs, but that will take awhile, probably as long as it took the big logs to grow from twigs to their giant size.
In this way an experienced muscle builder using IGF, especially one who is already quite large, is unlikely to see much improvement by using IGF, ever. Someone who has spent 15-25 years building giant muscle fibers would have to spend another 15-25 years growing those new fibers created by IGF. AAS can accelerate this growth, but we all know that AAS are not miricle workers, and growth still takes years of hard work and training.
Now take a stack of twigs. Not very big, not very impressive, not very strong. Some of them are a little bigger than others, but none are really big logs. Now use IGF to double the number of twigs. Still unimpressive, but noticeable, in size and strength. Just like muscle fibers in an untrained or undertrained muscle builder. All their muscle fibers will grow, and progress will be rapid. AAS will accelerate this growth, and it will still take years for substantial change, but the untrained will likely progress faster than the non-IGF user did, all things being equal.
Very simple, if you are older, and very experienced lifting, and very big, you are less likely to see significant results than someone who "isn't ready for peptides yet."
Second, AAS users are normally accustomed to rapid muscle growth. IGF doesn't really work that way. You pin and pin and pin for weeks and months and see little if any growth. Like an infant these cells aren't even mature enough to be stimulated for growth. They have to do their thing and mature into fully functioning muscle cells before they can be activated by the nervous system, used to lift weight and then be stimulated to grow. With or without AAS this can take a year, or longer. Again we are not only talking about cellular growth, but nervous growth as well. No nervous system stimulation, no work, no stress, no growth stimulation, no growth. Use IGF now for growth next year.
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