Tbol profile

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  1. graniteman

    graniteman VIP Member

    Dec 31, 2011
    Found this article cruising the net, didn't have a author. I know it's a looong mofo but it covers pretty much everything. Thought I would pass it on

    Oral Turinabol was first developed by scientists in East Germany for their Olympic and national-level athletes to use. This, plus the eventual removal of it from the market caused Oral Turinabol to become a very "sexy" drug for athletes to try and obtain. The East Germans studied this drug pretty extensively for many years and some of the success of this now defunct country was attributed to this drug, which made its first appearance to athletes in East Germany as little blue "Vitamins" their coaches gave to them. This drug has been discontinued by all of the major pharmaceutical houses, and is only found through certain underground labs. Even though some UnderGround Labs have access to this item, and it appears on their price-lists, its still rare enough. I believe it was first produced in the last half decade by a certain cat in Thailand. Its my speculation that its on the cusp of either becoming very popular, to the point where every Underground Lab will start carrying their own version of it, or it will disappear again and only be carried by a select few, if any, suppliers.
    The easiest way to explain this drug is that it is a derivative of Dianabol. Though it is a derivative of our old friend Diana, its still quite different...remember, Equipoise is estrified Dianabol, and really has nothing in common with it, in terms of real-world-effects. Lets examine Oral Turinabol in relation to D-bol for now, though. The first similarity between the two is that they have both been 17-alpha-alkylated (a carbon atom was added at the 17th position) to survive the first pass through the liver. This, of course, increases hepatoxicity (liver toxicity). Oral Turinabol has a much lower level of androgenic activity compared to dianabol, but a better balance/ratio of anabolic and androgenic effects. It has a rating of a 0 (according to the Vida reference) for androgenic properties and a 53 for anabolic properties based on a score of 100 each for testosterone. This promotes more of a "hard" look, of what competition bodybuilders often call "quality" muscle. You do not get the same "puffy" look as you would on d-bol, and many people have thus compared the results theyve gotten from Oral Turinabol to Anavar. Actually, though, this stuff is simply dianabol with a 4-chloro alteration, the same alteration found in Clostebol.
    Due to this 4-chloro substitution in the A-Ring of its Steran Nucleus, this drug cannot be aromatized (3). This is, as you know, quite beneficial and is one of the reasons Oral Turinabol has been called a "gentle d-bol." You will probably not get any typical estrogenic side effects like water retention, acne, gyno, etc, at any dose of this drug. A couple of studies I read examining male athletes over a period of six weeks were given 10 mg Oral Turinabol/day did not show any indications of health-threatening effects. It has been recommended that men should take between 20-40mg every day and women a 5mg every day, and I generally think that it is not very strong (as compared to many other orals) and wouldnt drop below the 40mg mark if I were to use it personally. It may perhaps be used in low(er) doses if it is simply being used for its ability to reduce SHBGs binding (1) to other steroids. In this respect, it may have synergy with other drugs, since it has the ability to reduce SHBG and thus free up more testosterone for use in your body.
    The only negative thing I have heard about this drug is that in high doses (10+mg) virilization has been seen in women(14) and there has been at least one case of testicular tumors, and one case of a guy who suffered adverse effects from 5 years of high-dose use of Oral Turinabol (2)(4). It should be noted that the former East Germans did many experiments with this drug in high doses though, and found it to be a very suitable compound for their athletes. Many of the women suffered virilization at higher doses, though. During the 68-72 Olympic cycles, the East German Sports Oral Turinabol program made its biggest impact. It was around this time, that the East German weightlifters were taking over 10g/year of Oral Turinabol, and their leading male sprinter was taking under 730mgs/year of Oral Turinabol (14). I think this tells me that for real weight gains, and huge gains in the weight room, youre going to need bank-breaking dosages of this stuff. On the bright side, if you are an athlete looking to get faster, a little bit of Oral Turinabol will get you there pretty easily, and with minimal (if any) side effects). I think that its inability to cause negative side effects, and its ability to produce a favorable increase in lean body mass and thus a favorable increase in strength/speed and an athletes strength:bodyweight ratio is what turned the East German coaches and scientists on. It must be noted that, at the time, this stuff was mostly undetectable, and that was certainly a sought after trait by the East Germans, who were looking to circumvent the drug testing procedures of the IOC. Now, of course, Oral Turinabol is detectable, as once its administered to man, three major metabolites are formed: 6 beta-hydroxy-turinabol, 6 beta, 12-dihydroxy-turinabol, and 6 beta, 16-dihydroxy-turinabol (5)(8)(9).All of those metabolites are now detectable by drug screeners. In much smaller quantities at least another three metabolites are excreted, one of which could be identified as 17 epi-turinabol (5), and is easily detected by modern drug tests... No measurable amounts of Oral Turinabol itself is detected in any of the urine samples investigated in sports doping procedures, but the presence of the metabolites is enough to warrant a positive result, and a failed test. Keeping all of this in mind, it is still important to note that the rate of metabolism and urinary excretion or Oral Turinabol is reasonably fast (5), even though it is technically eliminated biphastically (in two stages) by the body, with a terminal 16hr life (1). I think that the sports-doping-party-poopers (The NCAA and IOC) Oral Turinabol is notorious for increasing the time it will take for your blood to clot because it has spontaneous fibrinolytic properties. "Fibrinolytic effects" means that the destruction of fibrin (an insoluble fibrous protein produced in the liver from the soluble protein) is happening in your body. Fibrinogen is important during the blood clotting process, as it is a soluble protein in the blood that is converted to insoluble fibrin by the action of the enzyme thrombin in response to tissue damage. (6)(7) Thus, you will bleed for longer than usual when on this stuff, combine that with the fact that steroids raise your hematocrit and youll be spending your entire morning trying to stop the bleeding if you cut yourself shaving. Well, thats probably an exaggeration, but not by much.
    Oral Turinabol Olympic Cycle

    Oral Turinabol Olympic Cycle
    Ive already told you that this stuff is a potent lean tissue builder, and good for cutting. But thats mostly of interest for bodybuilders. Now, with regards to athletics, what kind of results can we expect? Well, I was digging through the old East German literature, and found that they reported that their world class strength athletes were making some pretty remarkable improvements on Oral Turinabol, over a 4 year Olympic training period: Male Shot-putters were adding 2.5-4m to their shot throws, 10-12m on their Discus throw, and 6-10m to their Hammer throws. Female athletes gained even more. Lets take a look at a chart representing the improvements made by one particular female strength athlete (*she held the World Record for the shot put, at the time of her beginning Oral Turinabol administration), over a the period of July 18th 1968 through October 13th 1972. During the time she was taking Oral Turinabol, she improved her throw from under 18m to over 20m (yes, this is a 2m+ improvement, to a world record holding throw, in one Olympic Cycle). She was taking roughly 5-15mgs/day of Oral Turinabol in the beginning, but worked up to 35mgs/day before she was done with her Olympic cycle. Her throws even while "off" Oral Turinabol even improved a bit, leading to speculation that there are a lot of permanent gains to be had with Oral Turinabol. Anyway, here are the charts representing her intake of Oral Turinabol, as well as her improvements over her 4 year over her 4 year Olympic training regimen:

    Effects of an androgenic-anabolic steroid, Oral-Turinabol, on the shot-put performance (in meters, y-axis) of a female athlete (code identification 1/68 in a, 1/69 in b, and 1/72 in c) directly photographed from the secret scientific report of Bauersfeld et al. (13), as one of the numerous examples documented, chosen here because of its historic importance as the first documented case of androgenic doping of a woman (for a detailed account, see ref. (11)). (a) 1968. The rectangle from July 28 to October 13 shows the period of drug administration, and the numbers above each date show the number of tablets taken per week (here, 14, or 10 mg per day). The curve presents the results of the specific competitions, showing the increase of strength and performance in a fully trained woman. At the time of the first drug application in 1968, the athlete had been well trained for almost 14 years. Under the influence of the drug, however, she gained unprecedented muscle strength and improved her records dramatically within a few weeks. (b) 1969. The steroid was given in three cycles and at various dosages, from 7 to 21 tablets per week (i.e., 5mg - 15 mg daily). Without the drug, she could not reach 18 m but when taking the drug, she improved her world record once more, to 20.10 m. (c) 1972. She took even more of the androgenic hormone, with daily dosages of up to 7 tablets per day (35 mg), in four cycles, for a total androgenic load of 1450 mg for the year. This led to her top performances in the winter indoor season (left curve) as well as in the summer (right curve) and another personal best (20.22 m). Note the much lower performance at times off the drug or after only short periods of androgenization. Also, after 4 years of systematic androgenization, her basic strength level even when not taking the drug had also increased by ~1 m, indicative of a residual effect. (14)
    Did all of this work for anyone else? Well, as I told you, virtually everyone who was involved with the East German Olympic Training program was on steroids of some kind, but Oral Turinabol was by and far away the most popular. They had access to some pretty weird stuff, too& intranasal testosterone, etc&
    So... back to Oral Turinabol... it is notable from my readings on this compound that women saw much more positive effects from Oral Turinabol than men (this is true of all steroids, though). Women also saw more side effects, and generally found the side effects to be more severe and unbearable than their male counterparts. Unfortunately, they also (sometimes) tended to use higher dosages than the men did; often up to 2x as high. Lets take a look at their typical yearly doses:
    Some documented dosages of androgenic-anabolic steroid (Oral-Turinabol)1 taken by female GDR medal winners (track and field) in Olympic Games, World Championships, and European Championships.2


    Turinabol Introduction

    4-chlorodehydromethyltestosterone (AKA Turinabol, Oral Turinabol, Tbol)
    Chemical Name: 4-chloro-17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrosta-1,4-dien-3-one
    Molecular Weight: 334.89 g/mol
    Formula: C20H27ClO2
    Original Manufacturer: Jenapharm
    Half Life: 16 hours
    Detection Time: 11 – 12 months
    Anabolic Rating: 54
    Androgenic Rating: 6
    Overview and History of Turinabol
    Turinabol (Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone, also known as ‘Tbol’ and Oral Turinabol) is actually a modified form of Dianabol (Methandrostenolone), whereby it is actually a combination of the chemical structures of Dianabol and Clostebol (4-chlorotestosterone). Hence this is why the actual chemical name of Turinabol is 4-chlorodehydromethyltestosterone. The modifications to its chemical structure allow it to be non-aromatizable and to also possess a very low androgenic rating, which is likely why Turinabol has been nicknamed as a ‘mild Dianabol’.
    Information in regards to Turinabol was first published in 1962[1] and Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone was then manufactured and released by Jenapharm in East Germany as Turinabol and Oral Turinabol. Much like other compounds such as Anavar (Oxandrolone), Turinabol was revered by medical personnel and physicians for its ability to provide a fairly distinct separation of its anabolic and androgenic effects, favoring anabolic effects of course. This is one of the reasons why Turinabol is often compared to compounds such as Anavar or Promobolan. As a result, much like Anavar or Primobolan, Turinabol saw extensive medical use in not just adult males but in women and children also. At the time, Turinabol was offered in two different concentrations per tablet: 1mg tablets, and 5mg tablets. The 1mg tablets would typically be utilized for individuals traditionally more sensitive to anabolic steroid therapies, such as women and children. Under its medical use at the time, Turinabol was prescribed for many different ailments, but was used frequently for the promotion of fat free mass in wasting disorders as well as the promotion of bone strength and mass.
    Later in the 1990s, it was discovered that Turinabol was one of the key anabolic steroids utilized by East Germany in their infamous state-sponsored doping program known as the State Plan Research Theme 14.25. This plan was developed by the East German government in the late 1960s and implemented between 1974 – 1989 for the explicit purpose of administering anabolic steroids to all of their athletes (whether unbeknownst to them or not) in order to dominate at the Olympic games and other international sporting events. The core goal of this program was to simply cheat the anabolic steroid testing system in the Olympics by administering what would be at the time undetectable (due to its existence not being relatively well known) anabolic steroids to unwitting athletes, both male and female, who were simply told by their trainers and coaches that they were being given tiny blue vitamins. It later became known that the majority of these “vitamins” was, in fact, Oral Turinabol. It was discovered that approximately 10,000 athletes over the course of a little over two decades were administered anabolic steroids (with most being Turinabol), whether they had known it or not.
    Although Turinabol had expressed an incredible record of valid application and safety, in 1994 Jenapharm halted production of Turinabol. This was a time in the early 1990s when the majority of anabolic steroids had been discontinued and pulled from markets all across the world due to the increasing anti-steroid stigma at the time. The increasing amounts of negative attention drawn to the use of anabolic steroids in sports in the early 1990s did not help Turinabol’s case, and its fate at the time was similar to many other anabolic steroids at the time as well. Jenapharm was eventually bought by Schering AG in 1996, but did not resume the manufacture of Turinabol. The halted Turinabol production in the early 1990s coincided with the details concerning East Germany’s state sponsored doping program coming to light, and its abrupt production halt alongside the news in regards to the doping program is likely what contributed to the popular attitude among athletes and bodybuilders that Turinabol was a very mysterious, special, and prized anabolic steroid to obtain.
    Today there are no known pharmaceutical productions of this compound, and its production is limited to underground lab (UGL) manufacturers.
    Chemical Characteristics of Turinabol
    As previously mentioned, Turinabol is in reality a modified form of Dianabol (Methandrostenolone), whereby it is actually a combination of the chemical structures of Dianabol and Clostebol (4-chlorotestosterone). It possesses the same general chemical structure of Dianabol along with the 4-chloro substitution that Clostebol possesses. The result is that Turinabol becomes a much milder hormone than its parent hormone Dianabol. The alterations to its chemical structure remove the ability for it to be able to be aromatized into Estrogen[2], as well as exhibiting a far weaker androgenic strength. Turinabol therefore possesses an anabolic rating of 54, and a very low androgenic rating of 6, making its separation between anabolic and androgenic effects very distinct and favorable[3]. Although the anabolic strength is considerably less than Dianabol’s rating of 90 – 210, the distinct distance between Turinabol’s anabolic and androgenic effects tend to be far more favorable to the individual.
    Turinabol’s chemical modifications also grant it a 16 hour half-life as well as the ability to bind to SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin)[4].
    Turinabol is C17-alpha alkylated so as to allow oral bioavailability, and as a result, will exhibit a measure of liver toxicity[5]. It also possesses a double bond between carbon 1 and carbon 2 (also known as the 1-ene carbon), and it is this double-bond that is responsible for the reduction of androgenic strength. Lastly, as previously mentioned, a chloro group has been added at the 4th carbon, responsible for rendering Turinabol unable to aromatize as well as reducing the androgenic strength of Turinabol even further.
    Properties of Turinabol
    Because of its distinct separation of its androgenic to anabolic effects, it is a weaker anabolic steroid than its parent hormone Dianabol. However, the assurance with Turinabol is that with any apparent muscle building capability, it will present much less in the way of androgenic effects and absolutely no estrogenic effects (due to its inability to aromatize into Estrogen). Because of its fairly weaker strength than Dianabol, the doses required to elicit effects from Turinabol are considered to be quite high (this will be explained shortly in the Turinabol doses section of this profile).
    In general, athletes and bodybuilders can expect steady and quality lean mass gains from Turinabol itself with no risk of any bloating, gyno, or any other estrogenic effects. Mass and strength gains are not known to be dramatic with Turinabol due to its lack of anabolic strength, but steady and quality lean gains that grow consistently over time can be expected. It is also used as an ideal cutting agent during periods of fat loss or pre-contest preparation due to its inability to convert into Estrogen. Turinabol’s capabilities really shine as an adjunct to other anabolic steroids when it is run (stacked) with other anabolic steroids due to Turinabol’s ability to bind to SHBG. Binding to SHBG allows more of the other anabolic steroids it is stacked with to be available to do their job, being uninhibited by SHBG, which is another advantage that Turinabol exhibits.

    Turinabol Dosage
    Turinabol Dosage
    Turinabol possesses a very low androgenic strength rating of 6 alongside an anabolic strength rating of 53, making it very favorable in the department of side effects to gains ratio. Very little in the way of androgenic side effects should be seen at the Turinabol doses necessary to build mass and strength, and even higher. Unfortunately, however, Turinabol is a weaker anabolic steroid than its parent hormone Dianabol. Turinabol, for all intents and purposes, possesses roughly half the anabolic strength of Testosterone. Therefore, in order to make considerable gains, Turinabol dosages need to be considerably high in comparison to other compounds such as Dianabol or Testosterone, for example. However, as previously mentioned, the advantage is the near absence of androgenic side effects (and complete absence of estrogenic side effects) – but the trade-off is the fact that the Turinabol doses required to elicit a considerable effect must be considerably large.
    As a result of its considerably weak anabolic strength, Turinabol is therefore utilized mostly by athletes and bodybuilders during fat loss and cutting phases of dieting/training where high(er) Turinabol doses are not required. For the purposes of bulking, strength gaining, and mass addition, Turinabol is not well suited. For those who wish to utilize it for such a purpose, Turinabol doses would need to be much higher. Turinabol is actually regarded by many as a ‘beginner’ type of oral anabolic steroid in and of itself that can effectively be utilized in one of a beginner’s first several cycles (perhaps a beginner’s second ever cycle, for example). The reasoning behind such an attitude towards Turinabol is the fact that it is completely void of estrogenic side effects, and its androgenic side effects are very minimal. This allows Turinabol to be well tolerated by many, and might in fact be suitable as a beginner anabolic steroid over compounds such as Dianabol, but the main reason as to why it is not actually used as such is likely due to its cost:effectiveness ratio in comparison to Dianabol, where Dianabol is normally regarded by many anabolic steroid users as “the best bang for the buck”, but perhaps at the expense of increased androgenic and estrogenic side effects.
    Medical Turinabol Dosage
    Although no actual literature in regards to medical prescription information is available in regards to medical Turinabol doses, commonly prescribed doses have been found to be in the range of 5 – 10mg daily for male patients. Common female prescriptionTurinabol doses are in the range of 1 – 2.5mg daily.
    Beginner, Intermediate, and Advanced Turinabol Dosages
    Depending on the individual’s goals, beginners will find comfortable Turinabol doses in the range of 15 – 30mg per day, although this is considered a low dose range where gains will not be exceptionally dramatic by any means. Such a Turinabol dose would provide noticeable but steady lean gains and almost nothing in the way of androgenic side effects (except for those most sensitive to androgenic effects, for example). Intermediate anabolic steroid users would definitely find even greater progress in the way of strength and mass gains upwards of 30 – 50mg per day with still very low incidences or chances of androgenic side effects manifesting. Advanced Turinabol doses land in the range of 50 – 80mg per day (and sometimes even higher), which would of course provide more dramatic strength and mass gains but at the expense of increased androgenic side effects at such an increased Turinabol dose. In general, however, most users find satisfactory results in the middle of the total previously mentioned doses, which would be around 50mg per day. Doses lower than 40mg per day tend to be utilized merely for the preservation of lean mass during fat loss and cutting phases.
    Historically, literature shows us that Turinabol was utilized by the East German weight lifting team at 10 grams per year (which equates to approximately 27mg/day), and this documentation also notes that the leading East German sprinter was administered no more than 730mg per year (which equates to approximately 2mg per day[1]
    Female Turinabol Dosage
    In the bodybuilding and athletics department, appropriate female Turinabol doses would land in the range of 5 – 10mg per day. Turinabol is regarded as one of the more suitable anabolic steroids for females, given its androgenic rating of 6. The extremely weak androgenic nature of Turinabol is what grants female Turinabol users with the ability to experience considerable strength and physique changes with very little to no androgenic side effects. However, doses of 10mg or more per day have demonstrated virilization side effects in women1, and many female East German Olympic athletes were administered doses much higher than this (15 – 35mg per day)[2], although of course virilization had become an issue eventually.
    Proper Administration and Timing of Turinabol Dosage
    Turinabol exhibits a half-life of 16 hours, which is considerably long for an oral anabolic steroid when other compounds such as Dianabol are taken into consideration with its half-life of 4.5 – 6 hours. As a result, there is normally no requirement to split up Turinabol doses throughout the day. Many individuals would do perfectly fine to administer the full dose in the morning upon waking up, for example. If one wishes to split up Turinabol doses throughout the day, it can be done without issues as well, but normally with a 16 hour half-life Turinabol does not require split doses any greater than twice per day. If split-dosing protocols are to be used, a common practice is to consume half of the daily Turinabol dose upon rising first thing in the morning, and the second at night in the evening.
    Expectations and Results from Turinabol Dosages
    It has been mentioned many times that Turinabol is capable of providing steady quality lean gains consistently over time, without any additional water weight, bloating, or fat gain/retention. This is due to the complete absence of estrogenic effects, as Turinabol cannot chemically bind with the aromatase enzyme (the enzyme responsible for converting androgens into estrogen). It’s androgenic effects are very weak, and with a rating of 6, it should be possible for Turinabol doses to rise quite high without as much of a risk for androgenic side effects as many other anabolic steroids at the equivalent dose. Outside of bodybuilding, many speed athletes such as sprinters or boxers opt to utilize Turinabol for all of these advantages.

    Turinabol Cycle
    Turinabol Cycle
    Turinabol is in fact a compound best utilized (stacked) alongside other compounds in cycles. It holds an especially synergistic effect with Testosterone or any other similar androgens that tend to succumb to the inhibitions of SHBG. SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin) is a protein that binds to Testosterone and renders it temporarily inactive, in effect ‘handcuffing’ Testosterone. The result is the hormone it binds to (in this case, Testosterone) merely floating around in circulation unable to do its job (free vs. bound Testosterone). Turinabol has been found to effectively bind to SHBG[1], allowing greater amounts of free Testosterone to circulate the body imparting its muscle-building effects. This means that although Turinabol might be costly considering its anabolic:androgenic ratio, it can easily be utilized at a low dose in Turinabol cycles alongside other compounds in order to allow those other compounds to act more efficiently in the body rather than becoming bound by SHBG and rendered useless as a result.
    Otherwise, Turinabol cycles tend to be mostly pre-contest and fat loss / cutting cycles whereby the idea is to merely preserve muscle mass during periods of caloric restriction. Turinabol cycles as bulking or mass gaining cycles are rarely utilized due to the very weak anabolic nature of Turinabol, and with the existence of compounds that are better suited for bulking and mass gaining (as well as being cheaper than Turinabol to boot). Oral Turinabol cycles therefore tend to serve a better niche as a pre-contest and cutting anabolic steroid, as well as a supportive compound during any cycle for the purpose of allowing the other anabolic steroids it is stacked with to more efficiently operate in the body (i.e. keeping SHBG from binding to the other utilized compounds).
    Beginner Turinabol Cycle
    Beginner Turinabol Cycle Example (12 weeks total cycle time)
    Weeks 1 – 12:
    - Testosterone Enanthate at 300 – 500mg/week
    Weeks 1 – 8:
    - Turinabol at 30mg/day
    On the basic end of things, this type of Turinabol cycle presents its use as somewhat of a kickstarting compound alongside its ability to bind to SHBG, allowing greater amounts of the Testosterone used to become free in the bloodstream to do its work. As the Testosterone utilized here is a long-estered variant, the time required before blood levels become optimally steady and stable to as to allow the user to experience gains will be at least 3 or 4 weeks into use. During this period of time, Turinabol is exhibiting its effects on the body providing steady lean mass gains while blood plasma levels of Testosterone build. With the SHBG-binding effect of Turinabol, the Testosterone used should provide a noticeably greater degree of anabolism once the ‘kick-in’ period is experienced about 3 or 4 weeks into the cycle.
    Intermediate Turinabol Cycle
    Intermediate Turinabol Cycle Example (12 weeks total cycle time)
    Weeks 1 – 12:
    - Testosterone Cypionate at 100mg/week
    - Deca Durabolin (Nandrolone Decanoate) at 400mg/week
    Weeks 1 – 8:
    - Turinabol at 60mg/day
    This Turinabol cycle introduces a higher Turinabol dose so as to allow more anabolic effects to impart from it in addition to the other compounds used. The other two compounds utilized, Testosterone Cypionate and Deca, are both long-estered anabolic steroids that require large cycle lengths. The majority of users who utilize Deca and Testosterone Cypionate will not normally begin to experience dramatic effects until weeks 4 or 5, during which time the Turinabol should provide some constant and steady gains. The gains experienced during this Turinabol cycle should be almost all lean mass without much, if any, water retention at all. Testosterone is utilized at a TRT (Testosterone Replacement Therapy) dose of 100mg per week for the purpose of maintaining normal physiological levels of Testosterone, not for making gains. The gains provided will be the result of the use of Deca and Turinabol, both compounds that are very well known for their ability to provide lean quality strength and size gains that are not dramatic, but are instead almost completely lean muscle with no fat gain/retention or water retention. The slow and steady gains provided during this 12 week cycle should naturally be more likely to remain on the user (provided PCT, training, and nutrition is properly implemented) than other cycles where the mass gains are dramatic but full of water.
    Advanced Turinabol Cycle
    Advanced Turinabol Cycle Example (8 weeks total cycle time)
    Weeks 1 – 8:
    - Testosterone Propionate at 100mg/week (25mg every other day)
    - Trenbolone Acetate at 400mg/week (100mg every other day)
    - Turinabol at 80mg/day
    Advanced Turinabol cycles such as this one present Turinabol used in the upper higher end of the dose range (80mg/day) within an all-inclusive 8 week cycle in which every compound is begun at the same time, and halted at the same time. Testosterone in its short estered format of Testosterone Propionate is utilized at a TRT dose of 100mg/week in order to maintain normal physiological levels of Testosterone during a time in which endogenous Testosterone will be suppressed and/or shut down from the use of other compounds. The workhorse anabolic steroids that are to provide the quality muscle and strength gains are the other two compounds aside from Testosterone: Trenbolone and Turinabol. Both Trenbolone and Turinabol are unable to aromatize into Estrogen, and with Testosterone utilized at a TRT dose of 100mg/week, there should be very little to no estrogen conversion during this cycle, and therefore no risks at all of estrogenic side effects. The result of a cycle such as this is a quick hard hitting lean mass cycle with no bloating or water retention that can be used for fat loss or pre-contest as well. These types of Turinabol cycles are very flexible and can be utilized for multiple goals, applications, and desires.

    Turinabol Side Effects
    Turinabol Side Effects
    Turinabol is one of the anabolic steroids that is regarded as a very ‘mild’ anabolic steroid in regards to side effects. Other similar anabolic steroids in this category include Anavar (Oxandrolone) and Primobolan (Methenolone), both regarded as almost perfect anabolic steroids due to their strong dissociation between anabolic and androgenic effects, as well as the fact that they cannot convert into Estrogen at any dose at all. Turinabol indeed shares all of these characteristics, and in fact possesses an androgenic strength rating that is the lowest out of all three compounds with a measurement of 6 versus 24 for Anavar and 44 – 57 for Primobolan. It can therefore be said that Turinabol side effects are almost nonexistent, but there are still some considerations and risks to be known and understood. There is no such thing as a ‘perfect steroid’, and although Turinabol comes close, it is still not without its potential risks and side effects. However, Turinabol can easily be considered a member of the trio of ‘almost perfect’ anabolic steroids: Anavar, Primobolan, and Turinabol.
    Estrogenic Side Effects
    Turinabol is a modified form of Dianabol, and while Dianabol does hold a moderate affinity for aromatization into Estrogen, Turinabol does not at all. This is the result of its 4-chloro substitution (the chloro group that has been affixed to the 4th carbon on the steroid structure), which disallows the opportunity for the aromatase enzyme to convert Turinabol into Estrogen. Turinabol is therefore not aromatized at any dose at all, and estrogenic side effects should not be considered a part of Turinabol side effects at all.
    Androgenic Side Effects
    Turinabol’s chemical modification of holding a double-bond between carbons 1 and 2, as well as the 4-chloro modification, grant it with a significantly reduced androgenic strength. However, this has not eliminated Turinabol’s androgenic capabilities and although it is vastly less androgenic than most other anabolic steroids, there is still a risk with androgenic side effects (especially in those very sensitive to androgenic side effects). At lower to mid-range doses, androgenic effects should rarely be experienced due to its weakness in this department, but higher doses will elicit a greater androgenic effect, especially in females. In addition, Turinabol is indeed metabolized by the 5-alpha reductase enzyme into a stronger androgenic metabolite, but the rate of 5AR reduction that Turinabol is exposed to is known to be very minimal, and so the use of 5AR inhibitors such as Proscar, FInasteride, Dutasteride, etc. will likely not greatly reduce any androgenic activity that is resultant of Turinabol.
    The potential for androgenic Turinabol side effects include: increased sebum secretion (oily skin), increased bouts of acne (linked to increased sebum secretion), bodily and facial hair growth, benign prostatic hypertrophy (BPH), and the increased risk of triggering Male Pattern Baldness (MPB) in individuals that possess the genetic trait required for the condition to manifest itself. Women will increase their chances of experiencing virilization at doses greater than 10mg per day[1].
    HPTA and Endogenous Testosterone Production Side Effects
    All anabolic steroids possess the capability to suppress and/or shut down the body’s natural endogenous Testosterone production, and Turinabol side effects are no exception to this fact. Despite the fact that Turinabol exhibits perhaps the lowest androgenic rating out of all anabolic steroids, it would still nevertheless suppressive over the course of a full cycle length. It is therefore highly advised that any Turinabol user engage in a proper PCT (Post Cycle Therapy) protocol, which should always include the use of Testosterone production stimulating ancillary compounds, such as Nolvadex and/or HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin) for an average PCT period of 4 – 6 weeks following the end of a cycle of any anabolic steroid regardless of how ‘mild’ it is claimed to be in terms of its impacts on the HPTA. No anabolic steroid cycle, whether it includes a compound that is considered as safe as Turinabol, should ever end without a PCT protocol superseding it. Failure to do so can result in permanent damage to the HPTA, whereby the individual will insufficiently produce proper levels of Testosterone for the remainder of his life, which if left untreated will ultimately medical intervention in the form of TRT (Testosterone Replacement Therapy).
    Hepatotoxic Side Effects
    Because Turinabol is in fact a C17-alpha alkylated oral anabolic steroid, it does exhibit negative effects on the liver. Although clinical data in regards to the level of liver toxicity from Turinabol is very hard to come by, logic would suggest that due to its very low androgenic strength, liver toxicity would be minor but still existent. The fact that many East German Olympic athletes prior to 1990 were administered Turinabol for several years without significant liver problems1. However, it is important to understand that in the case of the East German athletes, the dose administered was between 5 – 35mg per day, and often times at the low end of this range. Therefore, there would be a significant difference in potential hepatotoxicity between an individual running Turinabol for 8 weeks at 15mg per day, and an individual running Turinabol for 8 weeks at 80mg per day. Even the original manufacturer pamphlets in the prescription Turinabol packages recommended that regular liver function tests be conducted during use due to the fact that liver function can be significantly affected by high dose use. With that having been said, Turinabol is, however, one of the oral anabolic steroids that is considered the least hepatotoxic (alongside Anavar and Primobolan) – but the risk of possible liver damage cannot be excluded, especially with higher dose use.
    Cardiovascular Side Effects
    Negative cardiovascular risks, side effects, and cholesterol changes are a known side effect shared by all anabolic steroids, and this side effect does apply to Turinabol side effects. Negative cardiovascular side effects resultant from anabolic steroid use involves the reduction of HDL (the good cholesterol) and increases of LDL (the bad cholesterol). The result of such changes involves an increased risk of arteriosclerosis, and the degree to which these changes occur for the worse are usually dose-dependent (with higher doses increasing the negative changes and the risks). Other factors that affect these negative cholesterol changes are: duration of use, and route of administration. In terms of the route of administration, oral anabolic steroids are known for having a reputation as being much worse for their negative impacts on cholesterol in comparison to injectable anabolic steroids. This is because the liver serves to function as the cholesterol processing center for the human body, and the increased hepatotoxicity associated with anabolic steroids will result in even worse negative cholesterol changes.
    Although clinical data in regards to Turinabol’s effects on the cardiovascular system is almost nonexistent, it is common knowledge that Turinabol exhibits a very strong effect on the liver’s ability to process cholesterol. This is because of Turinabol’s strong resistance to hepatic metabolism in combination with its non-aromatizable nature, as well as its status as a C17-alpha alkylated oral anabolic steroid.
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  2. ItalianMuscle

    ItalianMuscle Drama Queen senior Vip

    Sep 1, 2010
    British Dragon brought that Tbol to the market years ago. They were the bomb diggity! 100mg/ed was a perfect dosage.. Not to many labs carry that anymore. I know Geneza does, and ALP used too, but its not that popular for whatever reason. It just never really seemed to take off..
  3. 4everstrong

    4everstrong Member

    Mar 8, 2014
    Great Post bro!
  4. graniteman

    graniteman VIP Member

    Dec 31, 2011
    Lol, right when I'm interested everyone seems to be dropping it. Dbol is pretty much PWO anymore and that's slipping with bp issues. So was thinking about giving Tbol a whirl. I like the properties and I don't mind a slow and steady gainer.
  5. tommyguns2

    tommyguns2 Senior Moderators Staff Member

    Dec 25, 2010
    I like tbol. It does not affect my BP as much as dbol. It does seem to take about 1.5 weeks to kick in, while with dbol I can feel it in about 4-5 days. It's weaker than dbol mg per mg, but I don't get a lot of bloat with it, like I do with dbol.

    It's a nice compound. I can take it at 50mg/day and be pleased.
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  6. Jenner

    Jenner LeanMachine

    Jan 9, 2012
    tbol is the shit :)
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  7. HisAngriness

    HisAngriness Fancypants VIP

    Mar 23, 2011
    so what i wanna know is will it be detected or cause an automatic fail in my weekly urine screens downtown?
  8. graniteman

    graniteman VIP Member

    Dec 31, 2011
    Ae they testing you for naas or drugs? If they're not specifically testing for aas it won't show
  9. HisAngriness

    HisAngriness Fancypants VIP

    Mar 23, 2011
    thats what i've heard. they're testing for drugs. i honestly believe my PO is on the sauce too. he's a big boy. probably fights like a girl but a big boy none the less
  10. SAD

    SAD TID Board Of Directors

    Feb 3, 2011
    Tbol was great for my looks, but did almost nothing for my strength. Since I don't care about my looks nearly as much as strength, I can live without it forever. But for someone who wants to look pumped all the time without the bloat, it's great. It DID absolutely wreck my lipids and liver values though, for whatever reason. It's not known for that, but my GP was scared by my results.
  11. RAIDEN

    RAIDEN VIP Member

    Feb 22, 2012
    Ran Tbol with Tren back in summer of 2012, loved that shit.
  12. graniteman

    graniteman VIP Member

    Dec 31, 2011
    Yea, usually the tests are specific, should be in your papers what they're testing for. Most Po's are pussies for the record, I think they in secret wannabee.

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